Just saw yyour post, and have to say that those are wild grapes that growing up we always called **** grapes. ***** and birds love them, and they make very good jelly, but the wine is a lot lubruski! I have made wine from them, and if the critters left them alone long enough to get the brix up, would be so so. A lot of people still make wine from them, but the people that do are not wine drinkers! lol.