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Joanie

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Remember when I cold stabilized last fall? Apparently it wasn't finished! I bottled my Cayuga and it's been on my wine rack in a cool room. I pulled a bottle this morning and put it in my bag to give to the grape vine owners without looking at it. When I pulled it out to hand it to them, there were all kinds of crystals in the bottom of the bottle!
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I was so embarassed!
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I told them to drink around it!
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Has this happened to anyone else? And how do you ever know it's done?
 
I have never cold stabilized Joan but I know Martina did some time back and had posted some pictures but danged if I can remember whet the outcome was. Are the crystals you think tartaric?
 
Unless you keep it in the carboy for an extended period, the crystals will probably finish falling out in the bottle. Use the experience for learning. If the growers have made wine from the Cayuga before, they probably have experience with it. If they do, ask for their procedure for getting them all out. If not, just tell them they are flavor crystals you extracted from the juice and put back in the bottle for added flavor.
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By the way how is it aging? Have you tried any since bottling?


I'm still aging the batches I made last fall from my own grapes. Another month or two and I might bottle it.
 
Joan , Those crystals are most likely (potassium bitarrate) or white diamonds usually forms at temps at 40 or lower. In our case this would form in about 2 to 3 weeks. Usually they will settle to the bottom. It happened to me and I just filtered the wine and all was fine. If the temp gets to high they can disolve back into the wine. Many people think that this is a bad thing but it really isn't. It does lower the acidity and also helps with any haze that it might have had. .
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Also Joan,
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<DIV SuperAdBlocker_DIV_Elements="0" SuperAdBlocker_OnMove_Hooked="0" SuperAdBlocker__Hooked="0" SuperAdBlocker_DIV_FirstLook="0">I have never filtered a wine that sat that long however The few wineries i have visited they sit a long time iin a cold room then filter leaving the crystals behind. If you decide to filter don't forget to add moreK-meta and sorbate.
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I cold stabilized the Cayuga, Vignoles, and Diamond for a month and bottled them all within a few days of each other. The only one with the tartrate crystals was the Cayuga. I had already racked off the crystals before I bottled. I posted a picture of them.

The owners of the vinyard don't make wine. They grow the grapes for a local winery. I picked the grapes the harvester missed. The winery that got the harvested grapes bottled several weeks before I did.

I have not had any of it since I bottled and I think I will leave it as is.

Bill, I never thought the crystals were bad. I was just surprised to see them.

My question still stands. How do you know when it's done forming crystals?
 
I have found some of my aged reds (&gt;1.5 years) from kits with grape skin packs like the Crushendo are now producing wine diamonds. I believewineries use temperature with extended time and also seeding to help form the crystals so they can be filtered off. I would not be ashamed at all and in countries outside of the US this is a sign of a quality wine!


I found this info:


Make that wine bottle a <?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:p>
CRYSTAL-FREE ZONE<O:p> </O:p>

By BRUCE KIRK Scios Ltd

The protection of wine against crystallization is an important matter particularly when wine is the subject of varying conditions during storage.<O:p> </O:p>
Young wine is often super-saturated with dissolved tartrates, which may have a tendency to crystallise in the bottle - a feature often regarded as a fault by consumers.<O:p> </O:p>
Crystallisation in bottled wine can be addressed either by precipitation of excess tartrates or prevention of crystallisation through addition of other complexes, which interfere with seeding of crystals.<O:p> </O:p>
Most common crystals appearing in wine are those of potassium bitartrate and calcium tartrate or in some rarer cases calcium mucate. The key components of wine responsible for the formation of crystals are tartaric acid as well as calcium and potassium and the wine’s tendency to crystallise is increased by the production of alcohol during fermentation. Also, natural crystallisation is influenced by storage temperature and duration and also by the degree of brilliance (clarity of the product) and the content of dissolved high molecular weight substances. The earlier a wine is bottled the greater the danger of subsequent crystallisation in the bottle.<O:p> </O:p>
The formation of crystals in wine depends on alcohol concentration, temperature and storage duration and for practical operation methods of cooling and contact procedures for crystal stabilisation were developed.<O:p> </O:p>
The formation of crystals can be expedited by cooling, however the wine has to be cooled under special conditions and should be mixed thoroughly each day resulting in a very high energy consumption.<O:p> </O:p>
An improvement in effectiveness of crystal stabilisation has been accomplished by the development of the contact procedure where ground potassium bitartrate (Erbsloh Kali-contact) is added to the cooled wine. These tartrate crystals act as inoculation crystals and can lead to spontaneous crystallisation with excess tartrate dissolved in the wine. This effect is intensified by repeated stirring and after several hours the separated crystals can be eliminated.<O:p> </O:p>
Cooling as well as contact procedures require a lot of apparatus and can result in high energy costs. Also, in the case of induced crystallisation a loss of extract substances and minerals can occur. <O:p></O:p>
There are several methods available for testing the crystal stability of a product besides the storage of samples in a refrigerator, if necessary with the addition of alcohol. T he following procedures to test the stability of the wine have been proved successful in practice:<O:p> </O:p></O:p>
1. The mini-contact procedure to determine the crystal stability of potassium bitartrate. Here finely ground potassium bitartrate acting as inoculation crystal is added to the cooled wine while its conductivity is constantly measured. The intensity of the reduction of conductivity shows the degree of the tendency to crystallise.<O:p> </O:p>
2. The mini-contact procedure to determine the stability of calcium tartrate. To determine the stability of calcium tartrate the mini-contact procedure is altered and adapted to the conditions of precipitation of calcium tartrate.<O:p> </O:p>
3. Erbsloh Krista-Test-Konduktometer for the determination of the potassium bitartrate saturation temperature. The saturation temperature is the actual temperature of the wine when dissolved tartrate in the particular wine forms a saturated solution. The lower the saturation temperature the higher is the crystal stability of the respective wine. The determination of the saturation temperature is carried out using the new Erbsloh specially designed conductivity measuring instrument referred to as Krista-Test-Konduktometer. The measurements with this instrument are based on the following principles:<O:p> </O:p>
The ingredients dissolved in the wine (acids, alkali ions) can provide a measurable electrical conductivity. When potassium bitartrate is additionally dissolved, then the conductivity of the wine to be tested increases correspondingly to the quantity of dissolved tartrate. Since the solubility of tartrate in wine is limited by the temperature of the wine, a saturated solution is formed at the actual existing temperature. The original saturation temperature of the wine can be calculated from its initial conductivity and its conductivity after the dissolving of additional potassium bitartrate in consideration of the measuring temperature.<O:p> </O:p>
For the determination of the saturation temperature a small portion of the wine at a temperature of approximately 20ºC is filled into a graduated cylinder and the measuring electrode inserted. After starting the instrument a very small quantity of finely ground potassium bitartrate is added and the sample is stirred. During the dissolving of the potassium bitartrate in the wine the conductivity measuring instrument registers the alteration of conductivitiy in the wine and calculates directly the measured saturation temperature. After 5 to 10 minutes this process is completed and the measured stabilised value can be read off the display of the Erbsloh Krista-Test-Konduktometer.<O:p> </O:p>
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Assessing saturation temperature <O:p></O:p>
[/B]Using the instrument, the following standard values apply:<O:p> </O:p>
Potassium bitartrate saturation temperature in base wine for sparkling wine equal or less than 10ºC. Due to the increase in alcohol content during the second fermentation phase this low value is required for stability.<O:p> </O:p>

Potassium bitartrate saturation temperature in white wine <O:p></O:p>
* 12ºC or less. Stable if stored in cellar or refrigerator.<O:p> </O:p>
* 12-16ºC. In the case of storage temperature more than 3ºC below the saturation temperature a crystal precipitation can occur. It is recommended to employ metatartaric acid such as Erbsloh Metavin Opti in this wine to prevent crystallisation.<O:p> </O:p>
* Higher than 16ºC. In the case of storage temperatures which are more than 2ºC below the saturation temperature it is possible to have crystal precipitation. The application of metatartaric acid or prior to this cooling/contact procedures are required.<O:p> </O:p>
* In white wines with a higher sugar-free extract content (over 25g/l) the limiting values can be assumed as being <?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = ST1 /><ST1:TIME Minute="58" Hour="2">2 to 3</ST1:TIME> ºC higher.<O:p> </O:p>
Potassium bitartrate saturation temperature in red wine<O:p> </O:p>
* 12ºC or less. Stable at normal storage conditions.<O:p> </O:p>
* 15-19ºC. In case of storage temperatures which are more than 6ºC below the saturation temperature crystal precipitation can occur. It is recommended to employ metatartaric acid (such as Erbsloh Metavin Opti).<O:p> </O:p>
* Greater than 19ºC. In cases of storage temperatures which are more than 5ºC below the saturation temperature crystal precipitation would likely occur and employment of metatartaric acid following cooling/contact procedures is suggested. In red wines with higher sugar-free extract content and higher tannin the limiting values can be assumed as being 2-3ºC higher.<O:p> </O:p>
Calcium tartrate saturation temperature in wine<O:p> </O:p>
* A value of below 20ºC should be aimed for.<O:p> </O:p>
<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Prevention of crystal precipitation<O:p> </O:p>
[/B]Crystallisation in bottled wine can be prevented by an addition of metatartaric acid. This material is produced from natural tartaric acid found in grapes by water separation due to heat input. Metatartaric acid is a high molecular weight polymerised tartaric acid which prevents potassium bitartrate dissolved in wine from forming crystals. During storage metatartaric acid can slowly decompose into natural tartaric acid depending on temperature and storage duration. Typically protection with metatartaric acid can last 12-18 months. <O:p></O:p>
A new generation of metatartaric acid products is currently being developed including the new Erbsloh product MetaGum which is a blend of completely esterified metatartaric acid together with soluble gum Arabic. This product can provide a significantly longer period of protection compared with metatartaric acid alone.
Gum Arabic is currently being evaluated as an approved wine treatment material under the Australian and <ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>New Zealand </ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>food regulations.<O:p> </O:p>Edited by: masta
 
Wine Diamonds....I had them in some grape juice, the grapes were the sweetest ones I picked....

When I made the wine with that juice the primary had tiny crystals all along the sides of the bucket, as well as the secondary carboy...since then I rack and rack and seem to be loosing most of the sediment...some sediment looks like soda powder...I might be gaining on it...I wonder if this wine will ever stop throwing sediment....looking for it to end up with some wine diamonds in it...and will mention it on the label..."Might Contain Wine-Diamonds"Edited by: Northern Winos
 
NW...wouldn't it be terrible if the people you give it to choke on the diamonds and file a law suit?
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We opened a bottle of our own Valiant Grape wine the other night...it has only been bottled for a few weeks and I wanted to check it out...YEP...it was beginning to form tiny crystals in the bottle...

Now we have to bottle the other grape wine we made...this one had crystals in the jars of juice that I used... there had been tiny crystals on the sides of the primary buckets...and some chalky sediment at the first rackings...since then it has been clear for over a month....

Masta mentioned some product that might retard the formation of crystals....don't know what to do....??? chance it and bottle???? Sounds like cold stabilization didn't work for Joan too well...maybe just chance it and hope it has quit precipitating.

Maybe just put a label on the wine telling others and myself that this is a quality product...mention that the wine might contain 'Wine Diamonds' at some point...?
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