Had a meat and greet wit a wine maker that I met at a LHBS near me and joined here soon here soon after. Me makes wine from grapes and has quite the set up with 5-100 liter var, cap. tanks and a smaller 1-50 liter tank. I must say that most grape wines from people that I have tried where OK at the best but these make me want to jump in the tanks for a night swim. I sampled his Carigne,Grenache, Old Vine Zin and 1 more but cant recall at the moment. He also makes his own olives which were so good that Ill be trying to make these next year also. His wife also made some fresh Biscotti! He lives very close to me and said that when i want to start I can bring the grapes over as he has a brand new crusher/destemmer and press to but I dont think the press will help as that is something that is done later so I may have to get my own there. Its got me thinking but I dont think I can swing a press this year! His forum name is frankr3. He's a busy man and doesnt have a lot of time to post but does check out the site and bought Georges video as he will be teaching a class in college on wine making. Hes been it about the same time as me but has the money for all the toys as he has Hanna S)02 and Ph meters but got a great deal on the tanks brand new-$150 each for the big 1's!!!!!!!!