Hello from Cincinnati, Ohio. I frequent Listermann's in Norwood to get my beer supplies, but got my wine kits from Mid-West. I actually have only had a few bottles of commercial wine, but am a true convert from beer. I have an all grain setup and can even lager, but all the dragging my equipment in and out in the cold and the lifting and pouring of near boiling wort drove me into wine making. I'll still brew my favorite brews, but scaled down and only in good weather. My heat bill and summer electric bill from cooling just can't have me dragging all that stuff around. Good luck.