Yeast for wine!

[Pulione]

I have a question, left over from the beer making days are 2 bags of
LD Carlson - Red Dady yeast - Can this be used in place of the kit yeast, or should it just be discarded.
A active yeast when making beer -
Thanks loads.

 

[sour_grapes]

This is what LD Carlson says about this yeast:

Industrial fermentation for the production of fuel alcohol from grain mashes is the primary application for this strain.

I'd say why don't you get yourself a nice wine yeast?

 

[Pulione]

This is what LD Carlson says about this yeast:



I'd say why don't you get yourself a nice wine yeast?

Done - I will just discard it, as it will have no further use. No intention of going back to beer.
Started the wine kit for Merlot today, used the yeast that came with the kit.
Thanks for the help.

 

[GaDawg]

Yeast for 6 gal of wine is about $1.

 

[NorCal]

I have a question, left over from the beer making days are 2 bags of
LD Carlson - Red Dady yeast - Can this be used in place of the kit yeast, or should it just be discarded.
A active yeast when making beer -
Thanks loads.

It is fun to experiment with different yeasts and the different taste profiles they produce. Some of the best wine I've made involved splitting the lot, using two different yeasts, then blending the lots back together. I'd choose yeast that give you the taste profile you are looking for.

 

[Pulione]

It is fun to experiment with different yeasts and the different taste profiles they produce. Some of the best wine I've made involved splitting the lot, using two different yeasts, then blending the lots back together. I'd choose yeast that give you the taste profile you are looking for.

Thank you for the input - will add to the data file!
Take care!

 

[Pulione]

Thank you for the input - will add to the data file!
Take care!

Got talking to a fellow wine maker last night, he says he discards the yeast packages that come with the kits that he buys, and substitutes his purchased product. He claims that the quality and final results are much better - (how do you know if you haven't tried the supplied yeast).
My understanding is that the manufacturer of the kit matches his yeast to the grapes selected for the kit.
What's best - go with the kit - or substitute ???
Thanks for your time!

 

[pillswoj]

Got talking to a fellow wine maker last night, he says he discards the yeast packages that come with the kits that he buys, and substitutes his purchased product. He claims that the quality and final results are much better - (how do you know if you haven't tried the supplied yeast).
My understanding is that the manufacturer of the kit matches his yeast to the grapes selected for the kit.
What's best - go with the kit - or substitute ???
Thanks for your time!

Kits almost always come with EC 1118, it is a workhorse that is pretty much foolproof, but by no means "matched to the grapes ion the kit" many of us swap the supplied 1118 for a yeast better suited for the wine we are making.

 

[Pulione]

Kits almost always come with EC 1118, it is a workhorse that is pretty much foolproof, but by no means "matched to the grapes ion the kit" many of us swap the supplied 1118 for a yeast better suited for the wine we are making.

Well that settles that - onward to purchase yeast -
I have been reading on the various yeasts available, as it is a Merlot that I just put down - I have to stay with what was supplied, but the kit that came actually had 2 30 bottle kits - so the second one I put down, I will substitue the yeast.
Thanks again - we'll get this all sorted out some day!.

 

[Venatorscribe]

Very good decision. Funnily I have a small collection of discarded yeast in my fridge that I keep thinking I’ll use for something else. But the reality is that the range of alternatives is vast. And - it is great fun experimenting with the different characteristics.

 

[Pulione]

Very good decision. Funnily I have a small collection of discarded yeast in my fridge that I keep thinking I’ll use for something else. But the reality is that the range of alternatives is vast. And - it is great fun experimenting with the different characteristics.

I will use a White Lab WLP740 on the next Reds that I will start once this one comes off the primary fermenter. In looking at our local suppliers and the closest US supply house, no stock available, so we will have to purchase online , that's fine.
Thanks loads - take care!

 

[Venatorscribe]

My latest experiment involves using an ale yeast with a feijoa cider. The yeast I will use is the Mangrove Jacks M31 Belgian Tripel yeast. It claims to do absolute wonders with the phenolics “Mangrove Jack's Belgian Tripel Yeast - Provides a fantastic complex marriage of spice, fruity esters, phenolics and alcohol. It is also very attenuative with a high alcohol tolerance making it perfect for a range of Belgian styles.” - and I heard that a number of cider guys in the UK have been using it with great success. Hence as i mentioned before - this is one of the fun things in wine making.

 

[Pulione]

My latest experiment involves using an ale yeast with a feijoa cider. The yeast I will use is the Mangrove Jacks M31 Belgian Tripel yeast. It claims to do absolute wonders with the phenolics “Mangrove Jack's Belgian Tripel Yeast - Provides a fantastic complex marriage of spice, fruity esters, phenolics and alcohol. It is also very attenuative with a high alcohol tolerance making it perfect for a range of Belgian styles.” - and I heard that a number of cider guys in the UK have been using it with great success. Hence as i mentioned before - this is one of the fun things in wine making.

Who is your source that you do most of your purchases from. We have 4 local suppliers and two in Bellingham 'washington. I was quite surprised today to find than none of them carry the White Lab product line, and really not a wide choice of yeasts for wines. Lots for Beer-Ciders etc, that is why I would like to find a good online source. White Labs offer a online "Yeastman" but you have only their lab products to choose from.
Thanks

 

[Venatorscribe]

Who is your source that you do most of your purchases from. We have 4 local suppliers and two in Bellingham 'washington. I was quite surprised today to find than none of them carry the White Lab product line, and really not a wide choice of yeasts for wines. Lots for Beer-Ciders etc, that is why I would like to find a good online source. White Labs offer a online "Yeastman" but you have only their lab products to choose from.
Thanks

Hi, I live in New Zealand. Fortunately there are a couple of good home winemaking / brewing shops within half an hour of where I live that are well stocked. Also there are a number of other outlets around the country that provide web based sales and speedy deliveries.

 

[Pulione]

Hi, I live in New Zealand. Fortunately there are a couple of good home winemaking / brewing shops within half an hour of where I live that are well stocked. Also there are a number of other outlets around the country that provide web based sales and speedy deliveries.

You indeed are fortunate - never had this problem with beer/lagers etc.
Take care!

 

[pillswoj]

Your local suppliers should have lavlin yeasts, for your Merlot you could try RC 212 or BM 4x4. You should pick up some yeast nutrient as well, 1118 has a lower nutrient demand then many of the other yeasts, I often add 1/2 the recommended dose when swapping yeast in a kit.

 

[Pulione]

Your local suppliers should have lavlin yeasts, for your Merlot you could try RC 212 or BM 4x4. You should pick up some yeast nutrient as well, 1118 has a lower nutrient demand then many of the other yeasts, I often add 1/2 the recommended dose when swapping yeast in a kit.

Thank you for the heads up - so far have not read anything on nutrients, additions or demands, but I certainly will.
I did hear from White Labs last night, they will accomodate a order, they should be back to me today. I still have about 7 - 8 days left on the Merlot in the primary fermenter, so I have a bit of time.
Your RC212 yeast looks great, very close to the WLP740 - thanks again. I will run that one by our local stores.
Take care!

 

[Pulione]

Thank you for the heads up - so far have not read anything on nutrients, additions or demands, but I certainly will.
I did hear from White Labs last night, they will accomodate a order, they should be back to me today. I still have about 7 - 8 days left on the Merlot in the primary fermenter, so I have a bit of time.
Your RC212 yeast looks great, very close to the WLP740 - thanks again. I will run that one by our local stores.
Take care!

There are some days when you just have to shake your head and carry on. I
I got a reply from White Labs regarding their 740 yeast - I wanted to know the volume or content of the vial of liquid yeast they supply - did I need more than 1 order - the following is the reply that I received.
Hi,


The 740 is our merlot red wine yeast that is in our core strain selection, meaning it is available year round for purchase. I’m not exactly sure the liter quantity of a 30 bottle wine recipe, but the pitch rate for wine is roughly 10% of the total volume of wine you are doing is how much yeast you should use.


Russell Kreindel

White Labs, Inc.

Sales/Customer Service

888-593-2785

www.whitelabs.com

www.yeastman.com
The volume of wine would be 5 imperial gallons – ( 768 ounces x .10 = 76.8 fl. Ounces) Russell – I hardly think so – the standard package of yeast is about 5 grams – that is normally what is supplied with a wine kit. Somewhere down the line you have either misread or miscalculated.

What is the content of vial of the liquid 740 yeast.


I will have to wait until Tuesday to get a reply -
Unbelievable!

 

[Pulione]

There are some days when you just have to shake your head and carry on. I
I got a reply from White Labs regarding their 740 yeast - I wanted to know the volume or content of the vial of liquid yeast they supply - did I need more than 1 order - the following is the reply that I received.
Hi,


The 740 is our merlot red wine yeast that is in our core strain selection, meaning it is available year round for purchase. I’m not exactly sure the liter quantity of a 30 bottle wine recipe, but the pitch rate for wine is roughly 10% of the total volume of wine you are doing is how much yeast you should use.


Russell Kreindel

White Labs, Inc.

Sales/Customer Service

888-593-2785

www.whitelabs.com

www.yeastman.com
The volume of wine would be 5 imperial gallons – ( 768 ounces x .10 = 76.8 fl. Ounces) Russell – I hardly think so – the standard package of yeast is about 5 grams – that is normally what is supplied with a wine kit. Somewhere down the line you have either misread or miscalculated.

What is the content of vial of the liquid 740 yeast.


I will have to wait until Tuesday to get a reply -
Unbelievable!

Finally rfecieved a apology from White Labs regarding their calculations, but I did order their WLP740 today.
I also started the second Merlot kit, using the RC212 with 1/2 dosage of nutrient, it will be interesting to compare the two.
I found a local supply house with some knowledgabe people and a fair inventory, they are not as large as the Washington State supplier, but more than adequate, and great people to talk to about wine.
Thank you all for your help - appreciated.

 

[Venatorscribe]

I was similarly disappointed by Mangrove Jacks. Over a year ago, I asked a question on their Facebook page regarding their cider MO2 yeast. — And of course there was no reply. Then they went on to change the colour of their packaging and general label details ... again no reply. So I followed up with a rather terse email. After a further month I received an unintelligent reply that told me nuff. So I have come to the conclusion that these guys are only 'rebadging' generic product from other manufacturers. When it comes to details - they truely know nothing. They are only part of the supply chain - buying low - selling high. So at the end of the day - don't expect technical answers. Unless of course you are buying from some of the more reputable names like Scott Labs who's web site I find very impressive . But then - I can't handle minimum 100 gm to 500 gm packs.