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Hi all.
I am new to the forum and brand spanking new to attempting to grow grapes for wine making. My goal is to plant about 20 vines in my back yard and make what I can from their yield. My sentimental pipedream is to be able to grow vinifera vines (graft/rootstock) taken from my late uncle’s vineyard in the Willamette Valley, Oregon, the idea being to attempt to grow variety(s) known to grow well in my area (southeastern Pennsylvania). My uncle left the vineyard to a local university to do research, and while I do have access to vines, I can only take what they can part with at any given time (usually during late winter pruning).
My plan-B, and more pragmatic approach, would be to attempt to grow hybrids that are known to do well in my neck of the woods. Either way, I am planning to do this as a phased approach with the first phase being to plant test vines (two vines each of three varieties known to grow here) and see how they do after a year, and select the variety that does the best in my little terroir. Planning to plant the test vines in spring 2020, and as such I am gearing up to prep my soil. I have had the soil tested and am looking for advice on the next steps.
I am more than willing to wait an additional year if that is what it takes to properly prepare the ground. I am a geologist by day, and as such appreciate soil primarily from a textural perspective. I am planning to conduct a perk test, and have access to coarse material to enhance drainage if necessary (soil is clayey, and derived from schist. My intent is to excavate 3 feet wide by three feet deep for the length of the rows to work the soil, enhance drainage and add necessary amendments.
The chemical amendment of soil sends me into uncharted waters. The results of my soil testing are as follows:
OM (%): 2.2
ENR (lbs/A): 68
Phosphorous (M3/ppm): 9
Potassium (ppm): 68
Magnesium (ppm): 155
Calcium (ppm): 563
Sodium (ppm): 30
pH: 5.3
Acidity (H meq/100g): 2.0
C.E.C (meq/100g): 6.4
Percent base saturation: K 2.7, Mg, 20.2, Ca 44.0, Na 2.0, H 31.2
Sulfur (ppm): 24
Zinc (ppm): 3.1
Manganese (ppm): 32
Iron (ppm): 153
Copper (ppm): 0.8
Boron (ppm) 0.3
The following is the advice I was given by the lab based on these results:
"The soil PH is 5.3 which is very low. I would suggest applying 2 tons per acre of Calcium lime and incorporate into the soil as soon as possible. In addition I would broadcast 140 units of Phosphorous and 3 lbs. or Boron per acre in a blended fertilizer. Vinifera are very sensitive to low PH and show many deficiency symptoms at this PH. It will be important to monitor plant nutrient status with petiole sampling once vines are established."
The plot in my yard is nowhere near an acre, so that was kind of amusing advice to get (I did specify it is a small backyard project, but oh well) . I can do the math to figure out the quantities based on my actual plot size.
So my questions are:
Is my pH really “very low”? It is my understanding that the optimal soil pH for most grape varieties is 5.5 to 6.5, and as such, I’m not quite sure why my pH at 5.3 is considered “very low”.
How should amendments be worked into the soil? They mention broadcasting, but not quite sure if it should also be worked deeper?
How should soil amendment be timed with respect to a target planting of test vines next spring?
Should I re-test the soil prior to planting to ensure the amendments have resulted in the target values?
One idea I was considering to enhance sun exposure to the vines is to stagger them with respect of one row to another (so that the vines won’t be side by side in a row, but rather staggered. Are there any issues with this approach?
Sorry to be so long winded, and I appreciate any advice (or be pointed in the right direction to further research). I have home brewed before, and plan to use the time between now and the time my own vines are <hopefully> productive, to make wine starting with kits and working to fresh grapes. At any rate, it has been exciting to plan this, and I hope I can implement it as best as possible.
Many Thanks, and Cheers!
Jack
I am new to the forum and brand spanking new to attempting to grow grapes for wine making. My goal is to plant about 20 vines in my back yard and make what I can from their yield. My sentimental pipedream is to be able to grow vinifera vines (graft/rootstock) taken from my late uncle’s vineyard in the Willamette Valley, Oregon, the idea being to attempt to grow variety(s) known to grow well in my area (southeastern Pennsylvania). My uncle left the vineyard to a local university to do research, and while I do have access to vines, I can only take what they can part with at any given time (usually during late winter pruning).
My plan-B, and more pragmatic approach, would be to attempt to grow hybrids that are known to do well in my neck of the woods. Either way, I am planning to do this as a phased approach with the first phase being to plant test vines (two vines each of three varieties known to grow here) and see how they do after a year, and select the variety that does the best in my little terroir. Planning to plant the test vines in spring 2020, and as such I am gearing up to prep my soil. I have had the soil tested and am looking for advice on the next steps.
I am more than willing to wait an additional year if that is what it takes to properly prepare the ground. I am a geologist by day, and as such appreciate soil primarily from a textural perspective. I am planning to conduct a perk test, and have access to coarse material to enhance drainage if necessary (soil is clayey, and derived from schist. My intent is to excavate 3 feet wide by three feet deep for the length of the rows to work the soil, enhance drainage and add necessary amendments.
The chemical amendment of soil sends me into uncharted waters. The results of my soil testing are as follows:
OM (%): 2.2
ENR (lbs/A): 68
Phosphorous (M3/ppm): 9
Potassium (ppm): 68
Magnesium (ppm): 155
Calcium (ppm): 563
Sodium (ppm): 30
pH: 5.3
Acidity (H meq/100g): 2.0
C.E.C (meq/100g): 6.4
Percent base saturation: K 2.7, Mg, 20.2, Ca 44.0, Na 2.0, H 31.2
Sulfur (ppm): 24
Zinc (ppm): 3.1
Manganese (ppm): 32
Iron (ppm): 153
Copper (ppm): 0.8
Boron (ppm) 0.3
The following is the advice I was given by the lab based on these results:
"The soil PH is 5.3 which is very low. I would suggest applying 2 tons per acre of Calcium lime and incorporate into the soil as soon as possible. In addition I would broadcast 140 units of Phosphorous and 3 lbs. or Boron per acre in a blended fertilizer. Vinifera are very sensitive to low PH and show many deficiency symptoms at this PH. It will be important to monitor plant nutrient status with petiole sampling once vines are established."
The plot in my yard is nowhere near an acre, so that was kind of amusing advice to get (I did specify it is a small backyard project, but oh well) . I can do the math to figure out the quantities based on my actual plot size.
So my questions are:
Is my pH really “very low”? It is my understanding that the optimal soil pH for most grape varieties is 5.5 to 6.5, and as such, I’m not quite sure why my pH at 5.3 is considered “very low”.
How should amendments be worked into the soil? They mention broadcasting, but not quite sure if it should also be worked deeper?
How should soil amendment be timed with respect to a target planting of test vines next spring?
Should I re-test the soil prior to planting to ensure the amendments have resulted in the target values?
One idea I was considering to enhance sun exposure to the vines is to stagger them with respect of one row to another (so that the vines won’t be side by side in a row, but rather staggered. Are there any issues with this approach?
Sorry to be so long winded, and I appreciate any advice (or be pointed in the right direction to further research). I have home brewed before, and plan to use the time between now and the time my own vines are <hopefully> productive, to make wine starting with kits and working to fresh grapes. At any rate, it has been exciting to plan this, and I hope I can implement it as best as possible.
Many Thanks, and Cheers!
Jack