One thing you guys might want to check, especially you Dan is if your normal auto-siphon will fit in the gallon jugs. I assumed that only the small ones do. I even had my local home brew store owner tell me that I needed to get the small one when I went to buy a new tallone. I vaguely remembered someone telling me a few months ago that the autosiphons had been resized for them to fit in the gallons. I told her that and she said, "Oh no, only the small ones will." I said humor me and let's try a new one in a gallon- so we did. The new auto-siphons fit perfectly in the gallon jugs. Now if we can just get the makers of the wine thiefs to fit in the gallons we will be all se.