I am looking to make my first batch of wine from real grapes and not a kit with bag of juice. I have heard that without a crusher or press (dont really know the difference between the two anyways ) muscadines can be a little bit of work. Does anyone have any tips of suggestions on doing this at home. I am looking to make 5 gallons so I will be somewhere around the 40-50lb range of grapes. Also, once crushed and/or pressed, do you suggest to use a mesh bag?