Earl, I went to the store a few months ago and found Cherrie's packed in water (pie cherries) and pure, 100% Black cherry juice. I got a quart of the juice and four cans of the sweet cherries for a 1 gallon batch. At bottling, it was wonderfull, but a little weak on the cherry flavor. It was there...... but not as strong as I would have liked. So I went back over the weekend a got 5 cans of sweet cherries and 2 quarts of the blackcherry juice, total cost, about $22. This is a good wine and would love to do 3 gallons but need to perfect the recipe to my liking first. They also have blackberries packed in water and blueberries packed in water. I don't know dollar wise or flavor wise what would be better, the fruit packed in water, or the bagged frozen fruit. I would imagine the frozen fruit would be fresher tasting. But sice it's not cherry season and I can't find them frozen, the cans will do. Edited by: jobe05