From now on I will spend the extra $$ and get the best kits available. I just got done with step 3 of a RJS Petite Sirah kit, and Im not that happy with it. It is just flat out too thin. I was going to call George and put it on some oak, but it was just so this I said screw it, and just topped it off with some bottle wine. I did use 1L of water which Im sure didnt help any. I know I could of done a better job with this too, but I think the 10L kits would probably be fine for whites, and fruit wines like the Island mist wines, but for the bold reds, I wont ever use one again.