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RCGoodin
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Will these Zante Currants work?
Zante Currants
Sun-Maid Natural Zante Currants are sun-dried from the Black Corinth grape, a very special grape grown in only selected vineyards of California.
For many, our Zante Currants have become the preferred delicacy in their favorite baked goods like scones, cookies, breads, muffins, or rolls. Tiny, dark and tart-to-taste, Zantes live up to the reputation of our other natural products... America's favorite.
Zante Currants
Sun-Maid Natural Zante Currants are sun-dried from the Black Corinth grape, a very special grape grown in only selected vineyards of California.
For many, our Zante Currants have become the preferred delicacy in their favorite baked goods like scones, cookies, breads, muffins, or rolls. Tiny, dark and tart-to-taste, Zantes live up to the reputation of our other natural products... America's favorite.
RCGoodin
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Amazon, pkg of 6, 10 0z
Check out the link to Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EQ5OSM...vptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_7j3u5fzt2g_b
Check out the link to Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EQ5OSM...vptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_7j3u5fzt2g_b
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I get mine at Safeway.
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Corinthian grapes
THE RAISINS MAY WORK OUT AS WELL,BUT THE RAISINS WILL ADD A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SPIN ON THE TEXTURE THEY WE A GIFT FROM THE GODS OF WINE ,SO I TOOK THEM IN TOW AND WILL APPLY THEM AS I DID WITH THE AMARONE KIT,I WILL SHOW YOU HOW TO MAKE A CONCENTRATED WINE GRAPE FPAC AS SUPPLIED BY THE MANUFACTURE ONLY WE'LL MAKE IT HERE.........GO BACK AND READ THE STORY OF THE GRAPES IT'S INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST ........STAY TUNED
THE RAISINS MAY WORK OUT AS WELL,BUT THE RAISINS WILL ADD A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SPIN ON THE TEXTURE THEY WE A GIFT FROM THE GODS OF WINE ,SO I TOOK THEM IN TOW AND WILL APPLY THEM AS I DID WITH THE AMARONE KIT,I WILL SHOW YOU HOW TO MAKE A CONCENTRATED WINE GRAPE FPAC AS SUPPLIED BY THE MANUFACTURE ONLY WE'LL MAKE IT HERE.........GO BACK AND READ THE STORY OF THE GRAPES IT'S INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST ........STAY TUNED
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this is going to be good. I looked at the Zante Currantes online a couple of weeks ago. I will probably use them in my next red. Not the LE Shiraz though. It comes with grapes.
RCGoodin
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Lori, the Amarone we just made had it's own grapes and we still added a pound of red raisins for extra body. Just saying....
you used regular dark raisins or the currants?
RCGoodin
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THE RAISINS MAY WORK OUT AS WELL,BUT THE RAISINS WILL ADD A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SPIN ON THE TEXTURE THEY WE A GIFT FROM THE GODS OF WINE ,SO I TOOK THEM IN TOW AND WILL APPLY THEM AS I DID WITH THE AMARONE KIT,I WILL SHOW YOU HOW TO MAKE A CONCENTRATED WINE GRAPE FPAC AS SUPPLIED BY THE MANUFACTURE ONLY WE'LL MAKE IT HERE.........GO BACK AND READ THE STORY OF THE GRAPES IT'S INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST ........STAY TUNED
Joe, where does one buy the grapes?
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This past spring, I got a juice bucket of Chilean Cab Sauv to make for myself for my 50th birthday (this past September). I tweaked the bucket with some California raisins and some oak, but after it was dry and clear came the real enhancer. I added dried currants to the carboy and let it sit for a month. The currants imparted a very nice hint of fruity sweetness to the wine. It is one of my favorates, and it hasn't even aged a year (there may be none left by then). Even people I know who do not usually drink dry red wine have commented that they like it.
Good choice, Joe!
Good choice, Joe!
I don't think that is here in CT.
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Dave how much currants did you add?
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Winexperts cabernet sauvignon
FIRST LETS DISCUSS THE FPAC,WERE GOING TO USE BLACK CORINTHIAN GRAPES HAND PRESSED ABOUT 1 TO 2 LBS.,TO THAT WE ARE GOING TO ADD WINE TANNINS(OAK POWDER) 2 TABLESPOONS ,ALONG WITH THE OAK CHIPS SUPPLIED AND MAYBE OAK CUBES DOWN THE LINE,WILL START WITH THE BENTONITE MIX, ADD THE WINE PACKAGE AND FILL TO THE 6 GALLON MARK,THEN TAKE A SG READING AND MOVE IT TO AT LEAST ( 1.10),THEN WE WILL ADD THE YEAST,TO START PRIMARY FERMENTATION.THE GRAPES WILL IMPART THEIR WARES IN THIS MIX AND SHOULD PROVE A PERFECT ASCENT TO THE CABERNET.
ARE YOU READY???????????????
A Grape that isn't a Grape but is a Grape
Lon Rombough
If you've ever had currant buns, or any other baked product with "currants" in them, you, like 99.9% of the public, thought the "currants" were the little red fruits that grow on bushes. Nope.
The dried "currants" used in baking are actually a true raisin, a dried grape. Called "currants" because one of the names of the grape they come FROM is "Zante Currant" also known as Black Corinth, and many other names, THIS is the variety dried INTO "currants" that are used in baking.
Black Corinth is the name you will usually find it under in America, though in recent years it has become known as "the Champagne grape" due to advertising by a produce dealer who specializes in it. Ironically, there is an old American grape called "Champagne" that is a very coarse, rough tasting labrusca grape of low quality, about as far FROM Champagne as you could get.
Black Corinth is a very odd grape in many ways. In it's natural state, the clusters have very few berries and they are hardly bigger than pinheads. In wild grapes, the sexes are in separate vines, male flowers on one, female flowers on another. This is true even in wild Vitis vinifera, the classic grape of commerce. Black Corinth is an "almost male" in that the flowers have well developed anthers, and very tiny ovaries, probably representing a first step towards evolution of a perfect flowered grape. Hence, when it does set fruit, there are only a few per cluster and the berries are tiny and seedless. However, the variety was doubtless kept as a source of pollen so that the female flowered varieties would set full crops.
How did Black Corinth come to be used at all, if the berries are so few and tiny?
It's a very old variety, probably Greek, and the story goes that a donkey was tied to a vine of it and the animal started going around the vine until the halter rope rubbed the bark off. Instead of dying, the vine healed the wound and the grapes, which were minuscule in other years, were large enough to eat after the vine was girdled. There is certainly a grain of truth in the fable as girdling was a standard practice in increasing the set and size of seedless grapes until the discovery of the plant hormone gibberellic acid and it's ability to do the same thing with less labor.
Girdling, or hormone treatment, causes the clusters to set full crops, though the berries are still tiny. Because the stems also remain tiny, the berries can be eaten with the stems on. This makes the variety seem very dainty and rather glamorous (thanks especially to articles showing frosted clusters of them with glasses of champagne - hence the "champagne" grape) and home growers who have seen this decide that Black Corinth would be fun to grow., which is too bad because it's NOT a home grower's grape.
First, of over 200 varieties in my collection, it is the most susceptible to powdery mildew. As pure Vitis vinifera, it is also completely susceptible to all the other diseases of grapes - downy mildew, black rot, etc. And since it comes FROM such a mild country, it can't be counted on as being hardy to much more than 0°F. But more than anything else, unless the vine is treated with hormone at bloom time, or girdled, the berries are minuscule and the clusters are straggly. So while it looked romantic in the magazine, it's NOT worth the work for most homeowners. Buy the fruit in the store, if you must, but don't bother trying to grow it.
Black Corinth - the grape that's a Currant (Zante) that's a grape.
FIRST LETS DISCUSS THE FPAC,WERE GOING TO USE BLACK CORINTHIAN GRAPES HAND PRESSED ABOUT 1 TO 2 LBS.,TO THAT WE ARE GOING TO ADD WINE TANNINS(OAK POWDER) 2 TABLESPOONS ,ALONG WITH THE OAK CHIPS SUPPLIED AND MAYBE OAK CUBES DOWN THE LINE,WILL START WITH THE BENTONITE MIX, ADD THE WINE PACKAGE AND FILL TO THE 6 GALLON MARK,THEN TAKE A SG READING AND MOVE IT TO AT LEAST ( 1.10),THEN WE WILL ADD THE YEAST,TO START PRIMARY FERMENTATION.THE GRAPES WILL IMPART THEIR WARES IN THIS MIX AND SHOULD PROVE A PERFECT ASCENT TO THE CABERNET.
ARE YOU READY???????????????
A Grape that isn't a Grape but is a Grape
Lon Rombough
If you've ever had currant buns, or any other baked product with "currants" in them, you, like 99.9% of the public, thought the "currants" were the little red fruits that grow on bushes. Nope.
The dried "currants" used in baking are actually a true raisin, a dried grape. Called "currants" because one of the names of the grape they come FROM is "Zante Currant" also known as Black Corinth, and many other names, THIS is the variety dried INTO "currants" that are used in baking.
Black Corinth is the name you will usually find it under in America, though in recent years it has become known as "the Champagne grape" due to advertising by a produce dealer who specializes in it. Ironically, there is an old American grape called "Champagne" that is a very coarse, rough tasting labrusca grape of low quality, about as far FROM Champagne as you could get.
Black Corinth is a very odd grape in many ways. In it's natural state, the clusters have very few berries and they are hardly bigger than pinheads. In wild grapes, the sexes are in separate vines, male flowers on one, female flowers on another. This is true even in wild Vitis vinifera, the classic grape of commerce. Black Corinth is an "almost male" in that the flowers have well developed anthers, and very tiny ovaries, probably representing a first step towards evolution of a perfect flowered grape. Hence, when it does set fruit, there are only a few per cluster and the berries are tiny and seedless. However, the variety was doubtless kept as a source of pollen so that the female flowered varieties would set full crops.
How did Black Corinth come to be used at all, if the berries are so few and tiny?
It's a very old variety, probably Greek, and the story goes that a donkey was tied to a vine of it and the animal started going around the vine until the halter rope rubbed the bark off. Instead of dying, the vine healed the wound and the grapes, which were minuscule in other years, were large enough to eat after the vine was girdled. There is certainly a grain of truth in the fable as girdling was a standard practice in increasing the set and size of seedless grapes until the discovery of the plant hormone gibberellic acid and it's ability to do the same thing with less labor.
Girdling, or hormone treatment, causes the clusters to set full crops, though the berries are still tiny. Because the stems also remain tiny, the berries can be eaten with the stems on. This makes the variety seem very dainty and rather glamorous (thanks especially to articles showing frosted clusters of them with glasses of champagne - hence the "champagne" grape) and home growers who have seen this decide that Black Corinth would be fun to grow., which is too bad because it's NOT a home grower's grape.
First, of over 200 varieties in my collection, it is the most susceptible to powdery mildew. As pure Vitis vinifera, it is also completely susceptible to all the other diseases of grapes - downy mildew, black rot, etc. And since it comes FROM such a mild country, it can't be counted on as being hardy to much more than 0°F. But more than anything else, unless the vine is treated with hormone at bloom time, or girdled, the berries are minuscule and the clusters are straggly. So while it looked romantic in the magazine, it's NOT worth the work for most homeowners. Buy the fruit in the store, if you must, but don't bother trying to grow it.
Black Corinth - the grape that's a Currant (Zante) that's a grape.
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Winexperts cabernet sauvignon
THE COMPONETS..
A Grape that isn't a Grape but is a Grape
Lon Rombough
If you've ever had currant buns, or any other baked product with "currants" in them, you, like 99.9% of the public, thought the "currants" were the little red fruits that grow on bushes. Nope.
The dried "currants" used in baking are actually a true raisin, a dried grape. Called "currants" because one of the names of the grape they come FROM is "Zante Currant" also known as Black Corinth, and many other names, THIS is the variety dried INTO "currants" that are used in baking.
Black Corinth is the name you will usually find it under in America, though in recent years it has become known as "the Champagne grape" due to advertising by a produce dealer who specializes in it. Ironically, there is an old American grape called "Champagne" that is a very coarse, rough tasting labrusca grape of low quality, about as far FROM Champagne as you could get.
Black Corinth is a very odd grape in many ways. In it's natural state, the clusters have very few berries and they are hardly bigger than pinheads. In wild grapes, the sexes are in separate vines, male flowers on one, female flowers on another. This is true even in wild Vitis vinifera, the classic grape of commerce. Black Corinth is an "almost male" in that the flowers have well developed anthers, and very tiny ovaries, probably representing a first step towards evolution of a perfect flowered grape. Hence, when it does set fruit, there are only a few per cluster and the berries are tiny and seedless. However, the variety was doubtless kept as a source of pollen so that the female flowered varieties would set full crops.
How did Black Corinth come to be used at all, if the berries are so few and tiny?
It's a very old variety, probably Greek, and the story goes that a donkey was tied to a vine of it and the animal started going around the vine until the halter rope rubbed the bark off. Instead of dying, the vine healed the wound and the grapes, which were minuscule in other years, were large enough to eat after the vine was girdled. There is certainly a grain of truth in the fable as girdling was a standard practice in increasing the set and size of seedless grapes until the discovery of the plant hormone gibberellic acid and it's ability to do the same thing with less labor.
Girdling, or hormone treatment, causes the clusters to set full crops, though the berries are still tiny. Because the stems also remain tiny, the berries can be eaten with the stems on. This makes the variety seem very dainty and rather glamorous (thanks especially to articles showing frosted clusters of them with glasses of champagne - hence the "champagne" grape) and home growers who have seen this decide that Black Corinth would be fun to grow., which is too bad because it's NOT a home grower's grape.
First, of over 200 varieties in my collection, it is the most susceptible to powdery mildew. As pure Vitis vinifera, it is also completely susceptible to all the other diseases of grapes - downy mildew, black rot, etc. And since it comes FROM such a mild country, it can't be counted on as being hardy to much more than 0°F. But more than anything else, unless the vine is treated with hormone at bloom time, or girdled, the berries are minuscule and the clusters are straggly. So while it looked romantic in the magazine, it's NOT worth the work for most homeowners. Buy the fruit in the store, if you must, but don't bother trying to grow it.
Black Corinth - the grape that's a Currant (Zante) that's a grape.
THE COMPONETS..
A Grape that isn't a Grape but is a Grape
Lon Rombough
If you've ever had currant buns, or any other baked product with "currants" in them, you, like 99.9% of the public, thought the "currants" were the little red fruits that grow on bushes. Nope.
The dried "currants" used in baking are actually a true raisin, a dried grape. Called "currants" because one of the names of the grape they come FROM is "Zante Currant" also known as Black Corinth, and many other names, THIS is the variety dried INTO "currants" that are used in baking.
Black Corinth is the name you will usually find it under in America, though in recent years it has become known as "the Champagne grape" due to advertising by a produce dealer who specializes in it. Ironically, there is an old American grape called "Champagne" that is a very coarse, rough tasting labrusca grape of low quality, about as far FROM Champagne as you could get.
Black Corinth is a very odd grape in many ways. In it's natural state, the clusters have very few berries and they are hardly bigger than pinheads. In wild grapes, the sexes are in separate vines, male flowers on one, female flowers on another. This is true even in wild Vitis vinifera, the classic grape of commerce. Black Corinth is an "almost male" in that the flowers have well developed anthers, and very tiny ovaries, probably representing a first step towards evolution of a perfect flowered grape. Hence, when it does set fruit, there are only a few per cluster and the berries are tiny and seedless. However, the variety was doubtless kept as a source of pollen so that the female flowered varieties would set full crops.
How did Black Corinth come to be used at all, if the berries are so few and tiny?
It's a very old variety, probably Greek, and the story goes that a donkey was tied to a vine of it and the animal started going around the vine until the halter rope rubbed the bark off. Instead of dying, the vine healed the wound and the grapes, which were minuscule in other years, were large enough to eat after the vine was girdled. There is certainly a grain of truth in the fable as girdling was a standard practice in increasing the set and size of seedless grapes until the discovery of the plant hormone gibberellic acid and it's ability to do the same thing with less labor.
Girdling, or hormone treatment, causes the clusters to set full crops, though the berries are still tiny. Because the stems also remain tiny, the berries can be eaten with the stems on. This makes the variety seem very dainty and rather glamorous (thanks especially to articles showing frosted clusters of them with glasses of champagne - hence the "champagne" grape) and home growers who have seen this decide that Black Corinth would be fun to grow., which is too bad because it's NOT a home grower's grape.
First, of over 200 varieties in my collection, it is the most susceptible to powdery mildew. As pure Vitis vinifera, it is also completely susceptible to all the other diseases of grapes - downy mildew, black rot, etc. And since it comes FROM such a mild country, it can't be counted on as being hardy to much more than 0°F. But more than anything else, unless the vine is treated with hormone at bloom time, or girdled, the berries are minuscule and the clusters are straggly. So while it looked romantic in the magazine, it's NOT worth the work for most homeowners. Buy the fruit in the store, if you must, but don't bother trying to grow it.
Black Corinth - the grape that's a Currant (Zante) that's a grape.
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