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I am running out of malic acid. Now being a cheap skate, I am reluctant to buy more malic as I have a BIG bag of tartaric to hand.

I have been using acid based on the fruit I am using. Most of them have malic so that’s what I use, but I am wondering if I can substitute tartaric and if it will make a difference?

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It will make a difference, but it may not be a problem, IF you like the taste.

You're used to the tang of malic acid, so that will be lessened. I suggest you try tartaric in a small quantity, say 1 liter, and see if you like it.
 
I make primarily grape wines, so I keep tartaric on hand. I do have quantities of citric and acid blend on hand, although I phased out acid blend as there's no telling what the blend actually is. I use citric and blend when making K-meta solution, to use 'em up. Tartaric gets used up normally.
 
Agreed, I don't use a blend and never have for exactly the reason that I dont know what is in it. I also have an aversion to citric, logical or not, it is there.

I mostly makew fruit wines and use malic because that seems to be the prevelant acid in the fruits I use but do have tartaric because I purchased all three at the beginning of my journey, mainly because I had no idea what I needed (or was doing). It was a throw enough and some will stick aproach. I suppose that still applies with the exception that I can actually drink the concoctions I now make :)

Still need to learn more.
 
It probably won't make a huge difference. Malic acid is milder than tartaric so you may notice a slightly more tart taste in the wine.
 
Which acid you use will make a difference BUT most people haven’t had access to clean acids so they won’t be able to taste the difference.

* MALIC produces sharp notes, it is the difference between tasting a pie cherry and a Bing cherry, a rhubarb wine where the acid is removed by fermenting with Malurvurn B yeast is flabby, more like a punch. Malic can be removed as with 71B or MLF or wild lactic fermentation so if I see pH creep up on apple containing products I will not replace it with malic. Malic is fast on the tongue/ has a pKa near the formulated pH so it jumps to pKa2 quickly.
* CITRIC produces a fruity flavor which reminds me of oranges. Citric is cheap/ chemically synthesized/ widely used. It is used in a lot of places where a generic acid is wanted. It is a little more sharp (faster on the tongue) than tartaric. If fermentation there is a risk of metabolism producing a dairy note.
LACTIC a dairy or cheese like flavor. Not as sharp meaning the pKa is above formulating pH.
TARTARIC is a good general purpose acid. Less sharp than malic and citric, more sharp than lactic. It is a good replacement for malic since it will be easier to drink but still give some impression of sharpness.
PHOSPHORIC is chemically synthesized so it is cheap/ work bought it by the tanker truck. Has sharp notes a bit more than malic/ a low pKa. Has three H+ so is nice for buffering. I will use it to replace malic lost in wild lactic infections since it won’t be metabolized. Looks bad on a natural food label since it is a chemical/ sometimes hidden as work called it water treatment knowing water was part of the formula.
SULFURIC not intentionally used in food systems. Not as stable Ie anytime we add K metabisulphite for ReDox control in wine, or SO2 gas to dried apricots we will produce trace amounts of SO4. Mild, ~not easy to name.
 

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