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Welcome to the wonderful hobby of wine making. There may be a club of wine makers near you. I suggest you find out. Also find out where your local homebrew store is. They will be a life saver.

I also love trinity white and I'm not happy with the new line up. At least they kept Diablo Rojo...

So another idea for a buttery chardonnay at a reasonable price... thinking about just buying some frozen juice.... and then going through the whole process including MLB fermentation. looking to create some diacetyl... Come on guys we can figure this out...

Slow way down... Let things settle and compact before transfer.

I think when you're asking how did they compare you're asking about Flavor more than ABV? At least that's my take away from your comment. You should probably read the thread about tweaking cheap kits that Joe's Wine has been administering for years. It will change how you make kit wines. The...

Welcome back, and welcome to a whole new world of kit opportunities. I am fond of a couple of early drinkers. you probably already know this stuff but, Ill start with the obvious... Merlot, Pinot Noir, and Shiraz are good early drinkers... especially in the midrange and lower price point kits...

@ joeswine also ordered a cheap chardonnay kit 11.5% from wine lovers. My sister likes buttery chardonnay. Any tips or ideas for me...I am aware of battonage and adding a MLB after primary fermentation. I thought a cheap kit would be a great way to attempt to make that buttery flavor...

Got it. Just was reading about port... and adding coffee beans. I was hoping to get some of the coffee and pepper notes that I associate with a great Shiraz

joeswine Just picked up a cheap kit on wine lovers. 7% shiraz. 10L. I got the grapeskins and french oak. it is meant to be an everyday shiraz. This is my plan. Reduce to 5-5.5 gallons. 16oz blackberries, and a small handful of coffee beans in the primary. considering some peppercorns...

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Do you see an improvement in wine when using purified water? Most reverse osmosis water is very low and mineral content also. But I keep thinking about looking up a water profile 4 Columbia Valley and recreating that water profile before I make my next Pinot Noir

darrell, do not transfer the oak with the wine. Note i have ask how are you racking (transferring) the wine?

Doodah, in general adding sugar will dry out a wine. The yeast will consume the sugar. Most wine kits do not require additional sugar. There are so many good ideas on improving cheap kits on this thread. It's a wealth of education. I'd suggest reading the entire thread.

Has anyone produced a document summarizing the knowledge shared and gained on this thread? It is so long now it is kinda laborious to read all 91 pages... @joeswine

Where are you guys finding these cheap kits. I have been on amazon and only found a handful of fontana and wild grape kits. I did make a couple of the vintners reserve weekday wine kits and I reduced them to 5.5 gallons. they came out great for a basic sitting on the deck wine. But I am...