I don't think anyone needs to bash Dave. He is a friend and and he took Pee to the next level. Nothing wrong with that. I consider Lon a friend also and have my label on his web site. Two great ideas. Jack Keller, well he is in a school of his own. He has done as much for the hobbyist as anyone I know. I don't always agree with his recipe's but they sure contain a lot of info and a place to start.
I had no intention of bashing. However I think my snarky, condesending tone came across in writting.
My point was just adding to the "dont forget Lonn".
I am student of history and was simply pointing out that if credit one, you could credit many. None of us are really original in making wine, since it has been done for nearly 8,000 years.
I have made dave's recipe and as well as using it as a stepping stone.
He has always been kind and helpful.
But I would not say "he took pee to the next level" as a simple search of the internet indicate people have been making Berry wine for quite some time.
He found a consistent way to make it, and an wonderfully easy recipe to follow.
I would say that he found a way to combine berry wine and Skeeter pee, wrote it up in an easy to follow recipe and made it simply for beginners and wine making pro's alike. He has been there to usher people through the process.