After fermentation, wills seeds grow?

[wildhair]

I searched the interwebs and could find no answer on this. I have a batch of elderberry and a batch of Red Raspberry that I just pulled out the fruit from the fermenter.
I thought I might take the pulp & seeds out and dump it at a friends farm & maybe get some raspberries & elderberries growing there. But I'm not sure the seeds will sprout. The seeds (fruit) was frozen , so the seeds are already stratified. I suppose I could try sprouting them, but it's -0° F here, so I'd have to do it in the house.
Anyone know the answer so I don't waste my time - will they sprout?

 

[back2it]

I don't think it's a waste of time, it's good research, AND........... you can emulate winemaker81 by saying "I have a research paper on that"

 

[winemaker81]

There's nothing to be lost in trying. If the seeds were frozen, they probably will sprout. If they went through fermentation? I have doubts.

You could get some peat pots and a bag of top soil, and try sprouting some now. Transplant any survivors after the danger of frost is over.

@back2it, I'll have a new whitepaper in a few weeks. Sunday we're going to use bentonite on two whites -- we have 2 carboys of each, so we'll treat half the wine.

 

[back2it]

I will as always, avidly read it.

I'll have a new whitepaper in a few weeks. Sunday we're going to use bentonite on two whites -- we have 2 carboys of each, so we'll treat half the wine.

 

[bstnh1]

I searched the interwebs and could find no answer on this. I have a batch of elderberry and a batch of Red Raspberry that I just pulled out the fruit from the fermenter.
I thought I might take the pulp & seeds out and dump it at a friends farm & maybe get some raspberries & elderberries growing there. But I'm not sure the seeds will sprout. The seeds (fruit) was frozen , so the seeds are already stratified. I suppose I could try sprouting them, but it's -0° F here, so I'd have to do it in the house.
Anyone know the answer so I don't waste my time - will they sprout?

According to the internet ..... fermented seeds will grow.

 

[winemaker81]

According to the internet ..... fermented seeds will grow.

That's the second new thing about winemaking I've learned this week.

That's makes sense. Seeds are known to survive the intestinal track of birds, as the skin of most seeds is tough.

EDIT: This reminded me of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_luwak

I really love coffee ... but there's NO way I'm chasing a small animal so I can dig through its poop for coffee beans.

It's amazing how easy it is to completely sidetrack a thread, isn't it???

 

[bstnh1]

That's the second new thing about winemaking I've learned this week.

That's makes sense. Seeds are known to survive the intestinal track of birds, as the skin of most seeds is tough.

EDIT: This reminded me of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_luwak

I really love coffee ... but there's NO way I'm chasing a small animal so I can dig through its poop for coffee beans.

It's amazing how easy it is to completely sidetrack a thread, isn't it???

No need to chase any animals and dig through poop. You can buy it here for only $399.99/LB.

https://volcanicacoffee.com/product...jNQkIdkTfyiLy6tmPf782JjBZCSAimnGurAtuQ51SXgUw

 

[VinesnBines]

The question was, am I wasting my time? The best answer is “probably”. Raspberries can grow from seed but the best method of propagating is to by either, dividing the vine, dig up suckers or layer the existing vine. Depending on the variety one vine can become hundreds in a season.

Elderberries are best propagated by cuttings or suckers.

Fermented seeds can sprout- chance grapes discovered in the compost heap is the best example. The fact they can sprout doesn’t mean that is the best method for reproducing.

 

[BarrelMonkey]

Yes they can grow but I suspect the germination rate is rather low. I dump my used pomace in my compost heap and so far I don't have a forest of grape vines in my garden - though that may also have something to do with the high temperature in the compost heap after spiking it with live yeast and other microorganisms...

 

[winemaker81]

Fermented seeds can sprout- chance grapes discovered in the compost heap is the best example. The fact they can sprout doesn’t mean that is the best method for reproducing.

Yes they can grow but I suspect the germination rate is rather low.

You're probably both right. My suggestion of peat pots may be more trouble than it's worth.

OTOH, if @wildhair is just dumping the pomace? That doesn't take much effort and it's got to be dumped some place. So choose a spot that is good for any resulting fruit.

With all the seeds in a few pounds of fruit, the likelihood of a few germinating is reasonably high.