I just started my first WE Eclipse (Zinfandel Lodi) I thought the big deal with Eclipse line was 18 liters of juice plus the two liter grape pack on reds, but had to add the same amount of water as Showcase/Winery Series to get to the mark in my fermenter. It was kind of a disappointment, so I subconsciously underdiluted about a liter and haven't topped up with anything (per instructions) on the 10 day secondary, yet. I'm vacuum racking down to 5 gal + 3 liter jug, skipping the finings all together, except for KMS and the French Oak and let it rock for 3 - 4 months. The Red Star Premier Cuvee yeast has been a nice, even, slow ferment into the secondary as well.