WineXpert Eclipse kits only 16L Juice

[ColemanM]

My Tempranillo was an 18l kit. WE international w/skins. The skins bag seemed smaller than the others have been. Definitely thinner. The other internationals without skins are 16L.


Sent from my iPhone using Wine Making

 

[Putterrr]

Thanks Geronimo.
I contacted my online retailer about the WE SI and Eclipse series and got this reply to my surprise:

"The International with Skins Series is the exact equivalent of the Eclipse Series. They both come with 18 L of juice and a pack of grape skins."

Can someone else confirm this????

With all due respect to WE customer service, the Eclipse Shiraz kit was not 18L. I added 7L of water so you do the math

cheers

 

[Putterrr]

How do you know this? I can't say I've measured the bag, but it says 18L right on the package. I've done quite a few winery series kits and the package is much larger than a Cru Select 16L kit.

I'm sure I checked it a couple years ago but never wrote anything down. I will check it again with the next one I make in late sept.

As for the Selections Intl with skins, i will be starting the Brunello soon so will check the size of that as well

cheers

 

[Putterrr]

Just started the RJS WS Chardonnay and it is 18L of juice as shown on the box

cheers

 

[geek]

The whites are 18L.
All reds are 16L plus skins pack, except the Pinot noir which is 18L and no skins.


Sent from my iPhone using Wine Making

 

[Boatboy24]

Yep. The volume of the grape pack is included in the "liters".

 

[Geronimo]

I don't have a problem with the grape pack being included... but that's not what started this discussion IIRC. People are adding 7L of water to a WE Eclipse kit to make it to 6 gallons in primary. If it says 18L and you actually get 16L, that's messed up.

I just weighed an RJS WS Rosso Grande Excellente juice bag and got 42.5 lbs. Assuming the SG at 1.140 (close enough) that's 17 liters of juice. Add the 2 jars of grape skins and I can see it being 18L give or take a little. I checked several of the Mosti Mondiale kits and they were all over weight, especially the Megs. I think it's mainly a WE problem.

 

[GaDawg]

Aren't we to add water to make 6 gal. not including the grape pack?


Sent from my iPad using Wine Making

 

[ibglowin]

Yes, that is normally what is called for in the instruction sheet.

 

[LoneStarLori]

I'll chime in on this because there was discussion a few weeks ago about the box vs. contents. I started a WE selection series Brunello. It said 18L on the box (did NOT specify juice) but it was 16L of juice for sure. The grape pack was a little under 2 liters.

The instructions call to add 2L of water to the juice bag to rinse it, then top up the fermeter to 23L mark BEFORE adding the grape pack.

It says in bold NOTE: Making the kit to a full 23 L before adding the grapeskin pack is crucial to the functioning of the fining and stability of the finished wine. If you make it to any other volume it will not turn out correctly, and any problems you may experience may not be solvable.

Now in my opinion, labeling 18L should be all juice. The grape pack would be an ingredient other than juice and should not be included. Just like the oak. I'm guessing that if they were produced in the USA, the FDA would not allow it to be labeled 18L.

 

[Geronimo]

You definitely want 23L of liquid in primary. That's how the yeast gets the FG down to the right numbers, too.

What I do is fill the primary (with the grape pack) to 6 gallons, and after 1 week remove the grape pack and top off with more water (about a quart, just guessing). Again, not all grape packs are created equal. The RJS dried skins are pretty small volume wise. The RJS Winery series are about a liter give or take. The Mosti Mondiale are much larger (and they aren't grape jelly goop, they are REAL skins from a winery press).

This product is meant for educational purposes only. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead is purely coincidental. Void where prohibited. Some assembly required. List each check separately by bank number. Batteries not included. Contents may settle during shipment. Use only as directed. No other warranty expressed or implied. Do not use while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. Postage will be paid by addressee. Subject to CAB approval. This is not an offer to sell securities. Apply only to affected area. May be too intense for some viewers. Do not stamp. Use other side for additional listings. For recreational use only. Do not disturb. All models over 18 years of age. If condition persists, consult your physician. No user-serviceable parts inside. Freshest if eaten before date on carton. Subject to change without notice. Times approximate. Simulated picture. No postage necessary if mailed in the United States. Breaking seal constitutes acceptance of agreement. For off-road use only. As seen on TV. One size fits all. Many suitcases look alike. Contains a substantial amount of non-tobacco ingredients. Colors may, in time, fade. We have sent the forms which seem right for you. Slippery when wet. For office use only. Not affiliated with the American Red Cross. Drop in any mailbox. Edited for television. Keep cool. Process promptly. Post office will not deliver without postage. List was current at time of printing. Return to sender, no forwarding order on file, unable to forward. Not responsible for direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages resulting from any defect, error or failure to perform. At participating locations only. Not the Beatles. Penalty for private use. See label for sequence. Substantial penalty for early withdrawal. Do not write below this line. Falling rock. Lost ticket pays maximum rate. Your canceled check is your receipt. Add toner. Place stamp here. Avoid contact with skin. Sanitized for your protection. Be sure each item is properly endorsed. Sign here without admitting guilt. Slightly higher west of the Mississippi. Employees and their families are not eligible. Beware of dog. Contestants have been briefed on some questions before the show. Limited time offer, call now to ensure prompt delivery. You must be present to win. No passes accepted for this engagement. No purchase necessary. Processed at location stamped in code at top of carton. Shading within a garment may occur. Use only in a well-ventilated are. Keep away from fire or flames. Replace with same type. Approved for veterans. Booths for two or more. Check here if tax deductible. Some equipment shown is optional. Price does not include taxes. No Canadian coins. Not recommended for children. Prerecorded for this time zone. Reproduction strictly prohibited. No solicitors. No alcohol, dogs or horses. No anchovies unless otherwise specified. Restaurant package, not for resale. List at least two alternate dates. First pull up, then pull down. Call toll free before digging. Driver does not carry cash. Some of the trademarks mentioned in this product appear for identification purposes only. Record additional transactions on back of previous stub. Unix is a registered trademark of AT&T. Do not fold, spindle or mutilate. No transfers issued until the bus comes to a complete stop. Package sold by weight, not volume. Your mileage may vary. This article does not reflect the thoughts or opinions of either myself, my company, my friends, or my cat. Don't quote me on that. Don't quote me on anything. All rights reserved. You may distribute this article freely but you may not make a profit from it. Terms are subject to change without notice. Illustrations are slightly enlarged to show detail. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, is unintentional and purely coincidental. Do not remove this disclaimer under penalty of law. Hand wash only, tumble dry on low heat. Do not bend, fold, mutilate, or spindle. No substitutions allowed. For a limited time only. This article is void where prohibited, taxed, or otherwise restricted. Caveat emptor. Article is provided "as is" without any warranties. Reader assumes full responsibility. An equal opportunity article. No shoes, no shirt, no articles. quantities are limited while supplies last. If any defects are discovered, do not attempt to read them yourself, but return to an authorized service center. Read at your own risk. Parental advisory - explicit lyrics. Text may contain explicit materials some readers may find objectionable, parental guidance is advised. Keep away from sunlight. Keep away from pets and small children. Limit one per family please. No money down. No purchase necessary. You need not be present to win. Some assembly required. Batteries not included. Instructions are included. Action figures sold separately. No preservatives added. Slippery when wet. Safety goggles may be required during use. Sealed for your protection, do not read if safety seal is broken. Call before you dig. Not liable for damages arising from use or misuse. For external use only. If rash, irritation, redness, or swelling develops, discontinue reading. Read only with proper ventilation. Avoid extreme temperatures and store in a cool dry place. Keep away from open flames. Avoid contact with eyes and skin and avoid inhaling fumes. Do not puncture, incinerate, or store above 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Do not place near a flammable or magnetic source. Smoking this article could be hazardous to your health. The best safeguard, second only to abstinence, is the use of a condom. No salt, MSG, artificial color or flavoring added. If ingested, do not induce vomiting, and if symptoms persist, consult a physician. Articles are ribbed for your pleasure. Possible penalties for early withdrawal. Offer valid only at participating sites. Slightly higher west of the Rockies. Allow four to six weeks for delivery. must be 18 to read. Disclaimer does not cover misuse, accident, lightning, flood, tornado, tsunami, volcanic eruption, earthquake, hurricanes and other Acts of God, neglect, damage from improper reading, incorrect line voltage, improper or unauthorized reading, broken antenna or marred cabinet, missing or altered serial numbers, electromagnetic radiation from nuclear blasts, sonic boom vibrations, customer adjustments that are not covered in this list, and incidents owing to an airplane crash, ship sinking or taking on water, motor vehicle crashing, dropping the item, falling rocks, leaky roof, broken glass, mud slides, forest fire, or projectile (which can include, but not be limited to, arrows, bullets, shot, BB's, shrapnel, lasers, napalm, torpedoes, or emissions of X-rays, Alpha, Beta and Gamma rays, knives, stones, etc.). May be harmful or fatal if swallowed. Do not insert into the ear canal. Not responsible for injuries due while showering. Prolonged inhalation of fumes may result in nausea, dizzyness, convulsions, and death. Dispose in a responsible manner when finished. May *not* be suitable for children under 12. Discontinue if skin rash appears, or vision blurs, and consult a physician. Other restrictions may apply.
This supersedes all previous notices.

 

[tonyt]

Aren't we to add water to make 6 gal. not including the grape pack?


Sent from my iPad using Wine Making

Yes, and that's why they should advertise the kits as 16 ltr plus grape pack.

 

[tonyt]

What I do is fill the primary (with the grape pack) to 6 gallons, and after 1 week remove the grape pack and top off with more water (about a quart, just guessing).

Jim, at first blush I really like this idea. It allows for the liquids in the grape pack to count as part of the 6 gallons and allowing the addition of much less water. Should give more body if it doesn't mess up the balance of the wine. As Mike stated most kit instructions do say to build to 23 ltrs before adding the grape pack. So they clearly want more water than you are adding. Now I'm very conflicted.

 

[Geronimo]

Jim, at first blush I really like this idea. It allows for the liquids in the grape pack to count as part of the 6 gallons and allowing the addition of much less water. Should give more body if it doesn't mess up the balance of the wine. As Mike stated most kit instructions do say to build to 23 ltrs before adding the grape pack. So they clearly want more water than you are adding. Now I'm very conflicted.

All I can say is that as long as I wind up with 6 gallons in primary before it's done, my wines are coming out great. I don't like to fill my primary with 23L of juice and then add the grape pack because I've had some of the fermentations foam up into the airlock. I also use a bag for the grape skins and squeeze them at least once a day, so after a week there's really not much point in leaving them in there anyway. It's a method that works really well for me.

 

[bkisel]

All I can say is that as long as I wind up with 6 gallons in primary before it's done, my wines are coming out great. I don't like to fill my primary with 23L of juice and then add the grape pack because I've had some of the fermentations foam up into the airlock. I also use a bag for the grape skins and squeeze them at least once a day, so after a week there's really not much point in leaving them in there anyway. It's a method that works really well for me.

If I'm not mistaken the first time I made an RJS WS kit with skins (Wash. Merlot) I overflowed (or nearly so) my carboy when racking from fermentation bucket to secondary. With the last two WS kits (a Super Tuscan and a Cab. Sav.) I fudged just a bit and did not fill with water all the way up to the 23L mark. Still ended up with a bit more than 23L to rack.

 

[Putterrr]

How do you know this? I can't say I've measured the bag, but it says 18L right on the package. I've done quite a few winery series kits and the package is much larger than a Cru Select 16L kit.

Just a follow up on this. I just start my Winery Series Grenache Syrah and it was 16L of Juice and 2L of grape skins. Same as the WE Sel Intl and Eclipse

cheers