i deer hunt with a .270 bolt action. first kills, 3 shots, first shot at 170 yd, way high left? with an aim on 2" high heart standing still broad side? scope way out. aim at rear knees, heart shot. 2nd doe. angled towards @ 30, shot off to low right, hit 4" high of heart>lungs>spine>out lower back. All shots fired >10 seconds. wait for sundown (30 min) and me up with my dad. he asked if i was just shooting wildly at a running deer. i said i got 2. "really", "yep". both fell right where they stood. even a .270 will leave a fist sized hole on exit.