Well, I never got around to using that yeast cake. I got really busy with a dog rescue and had to spend money elsewhere. I finally put in an order for everything that I need and I ordered 5 packets of EC-1118... I just got a notice saying that the store was out of Wine Yeast Nutrient, so I am considering using Ale Yeast Nutrient. Can any problems arise from doing so? I helped a friend make a batch a few weeks ago and it should be finishing up soon... I can't wait to see how it turned out. We didn't have a yeast cake for that either, or nutrient, OR energizer, but it looks like it is fermenting out all the way. He used 3 packs of 1118 right from the get go. He says it is going well.