Oil transfer pump for wine transfer ?

[Fruit]

I found using syphons too slow to transfer round 25-26 liters after prime to carboy. And it was 3-5 tanks one by one-long time taken.
I am interested if something like below could work (obviously after good cleaning first-pumping lot of hot water, some OxyClean, water again etc...
Sure one needs to be very careful not to suck sediments, I have an idea how to do that (using electric pump) safely.
You opinion/advice ?

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1748068...5x4|ampid:PL_CLK|clp:2047675&epid=20044098899

 

[Jim Welch]

I wouldn't use that pump unless it is food grade but I'm left wondering if a pump is overkill for transfering 26 liters. How long is it taking to siphon that much?

 

[Rocky]

I found using syphons too slow to transfer round 25-26 liters after prime to carboy. And it was 3-5 tanks one by one-long time taken.

May I ask what size siphon you are using. I have both the 1/2" and the 3/8" versions. I agree that the 3/8" is slow, but the 1/2" is fine for a 5 or 6 gallon carboy.

 

[Fruit]

I tried both 3/8" and 1/2" syphons. Smaller is useless in my opinion. 1/2" is fine for one 30 liters tank (max 24-25 liters of fluid) but I had 3-5 tanks to rack, one by one.

 

[balatonwine]

For must, I use a Rover Pumpe 20 CE model to move must into barrels. Moves a lot of juice, very fast.

But after any fermentation, I do it by gravity. Slowly. Slow is more gentle. And slower and gentle is better. All that time of wine making, up to the racking points... trying to be then fast is not necessarily a good idea. Wine making takes time. In every step. It is one activity that has really helped me to learn patience.

Side note: I have never used a vacuum pump. But others here may have used products like the All In One Wine Pump. And they may give you advice about how fast that may be. A food grade vacuum pump is the only type of pump I would use on fermented wine, if I were to use a pump.

 

[Brant]

I personally think a 42L/min pump (regardless of type) is moving liquids too fast for carboy sized containers (especially using small bore poly tubing). I realize the AIO (All-In-One) wine pump isn't cheap but you get a vacuum system that doesn't introduce wine into the pump so contamination concerns are lessened.

Someone on here might have a better cheap alternative to the pump you show that has a slower transfer rate.

If you want to MacGyver a transfer pump, I would look into a small diaphragm pump or positive displacement pump that you could set-up similar to how the AIO pump connects. You could use the same concept/ principles of the AIO and make a system that would do the same. You can also purchase some of the components like the (racking bungs) on the AIO website and connect your own $30 to $50 chinesium pump off of Amazon or elsewhere. You can also modify an air compressor to turn it into a vacuum pump. Depending on compressor capacity, you might need to toggle it on/off to prevent building up too much vacuum too quickly. There are going to be some design challenges depending on what you decide to use. Regardless, it's a totally doable project. I was going to build one before I knew about the AIO system.

Or if your not very technically savvy, just skip the headache and save up for an AIO as it's a good system.

Good luck!

 

[fwdevoe]

All in 1 pump.... hands down the best!

 

[QuiQuog]

Out of curiosity, how long does it take the AIO pump to transfer a 6 gallon carboy?

 

[Rocky]

Out of curiosity, how long does it take the AIO pump to transfer a 6 gallon carboy?

I have never timed it but I believe (and I may be wrong) it is not as fast as the 1/2" Auto Siphon. However, there are other benefits, most important to me is removing CO2.

 

[Brant]

Off the top of my head... maybe around 3 to 5 minutes depending where you have the vacuum release valve set to.

 

[Brant]

I have never timed it but I believe (and I may be wrong) it is not as fast as the 1/2" Auto Siphon. However, there are other benefits, most important to me is removing CO2.

Compared to a standard $15 siphon from a brewing store, it's probably 3x faster. Plus you don't need to lift carboys- it transfers at the same elevation. This is a big deal for most people who struggle to lift full carboys. Plus you can filter with it. IMO, the AIO is worth every penny.

 

[vinny]

Compared to a standard $15 siphon from a brewing store, it's probably 3x faster. Plus you don't need to lift carboys- it transfers at the same elevation. This is a big deal for most people who struggle to lift full carboys. Plus you can filter with it. IMO, the AIO is worth every penny.

I was going to chime in just to say that I wouldn't want to put my wine through an impeller pump. At least with vacuum you are not beating the wine to death.

The thing I like about the AIO is that you can set the height of your racking cane and the process is automated. I would say it is 2-3 times faster than siphoning, but you can do other stuff while it is doing it's thing. fill up your airlock, mix up k-meta. You need to be close by, but you don't need to be hands on for the entire process.

Bottling with it is fun.

I'm 100% for the AIO. It changed the whole process for me. Worth every penny.

 

[Brant]

Bottling with it is fun.

How could I not mention the best reason to buy one. It makes bottling 1000x more enjoyable and easy.

 

[vinny]

Out of curiosity, how long does it take the AIO pump to transfer a 6 gallon carboy?

The site says 4 minutes for a 6 gallon carboy. 15 seconds for a 750 ml wine bottle.

 

[fwdevoe]

Just a few minutes and bottling is a breeze! My best investment yet!

 

[Fruit]

I just found this:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/293115752696

 

[vinny]

I just found this:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/293115752696

It is still an impeller pump, I personally wouldn't go that route.

You can forgo the pump and housing and just order the bottle filler and connections from AIO, but you could even make those if you are creative enough.

https://www.winemakingtalk.com/threads/homemade-wine-pump-todays-diy-project.76875/

 

[vacuumpumpman]

I was going to try and answer some questions - but it looks like everyone beat me to it !!

 

[balatonwine]

It is still an impeller pump, I personally wouldn't go that route.

I agree. As stated above, I have a Rover Pompe. An impeller. And only use it to move must. I love it. It is a great pump.

But... Rover Pompe is quite popular in Europe to move and filter finished wine (they even sell combined pump and filter pad units which many people I know like to use).

I would not do it on finished wine.... But that is just me. To each their own.

 

[Fruit]

Eventually I purchased this:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2950676...mOHVWwPIdkViS-gSvWV-IQUDUVHk15P4aAtyLEALw_wcB
Magnetic drive, diaphragm pump. It is very heavy, seems to be well made and it works very well...when it starts pumping.
Problem is that it is not self-priming...oh boy, what a battle it was !
But when inlet hose and pump fills with fluid, it pumps fast, completely silent, no any vibration, very nice.

So priming... :-(
(Manual syphoning sucks).
To solve that trouble, I got this:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/285182726491?var=587058849669and this:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/144977976089
I am going to put first-yellow, manual one or second (12V self-priming pump) in front of main one.

I will report more as soon as I test the whole "installation".