Preserving/reserving topping off wine.

[WVRoger]

I am about to perform the first racking of a Coloma Merlot juice wine into a one gallon carboy. I anticipate needing about 250ml of a commercial wine for topping off. I would like to reserve the rest for subsequent rackings. I'm thinking I can preserve the balance of the topping off wine by adding a small amount of k-meta and re-bottling into a sanitized beer bottle and capping it with a crown cap. What do you all think?

Also, 250ml added to gallon seems like it might be enough to play a role in the final product. FG is at 0.992. What would you recommend I use for topping off?

 

[Rice_Guy]

Your volume is small therefore on a percentage basis technique contributes a higher percentage oxygen.
NO HEAD SPACE, if I had my choice I would use a metalized wine bag with all the air squeezed out. beer bottles can work / crown caps are tight but again minimum headspace. One that I have done is LDPE 1” rods in various lengths, another twist on the marble idea would be a synthetic cork with a Stainless steel screw in to keep it from floating.
Gallons are hard I do 4 liter rack to 3.78 liter rack to another gallon with a filler rod.

Today was pressing the pulp from a Petite Pearl, leftovers consist of a 500 ml Grosch with about 1/4” ullage and an Ensure bottle with 1/4” ullage. ,,, Variety

 

[Ohio Bob]

Also, 250ml added to gallon seems like it might be enough to play a role in the final product.

I don’t think it will affect the final. And a blend of a different wine into your Merlot is not necessarily a bad thing. I would use a Cab or Syrah, unless you have a Merlot on hand.

Me, I wouldn’t mess with trying to save the opened bottle of wine, just drink it. Get another bottle ready for the next topping off you need to do. Sometimes we overthink things.

 

[winemaker81]

I don’t think it will affect the final. And a blend of a different wine into your Merlot is not necessarily a bad thing.

I disagree and agree with Bob on this.

The disagree? Major vendors (e.g., Chateau Petrus) believe that adding 3% of a varietal to a batch makes it better. I do not claim my palate is good enough to distinguish the difference, but accept that some folks have such a palate. As such, I cannot argue against their POV, even if I cannot taste the difference.

The agree? No wine (grapes, concentrate, kit, etc.) is the holy grail. The result of a kit made exactly according to package directions is ONE person's (or group's) ideal. It is not necessarily the best.

@WVRoger, your goal should be to produce a wine you are happy with. If you are satisficed with the result, all other POV are null and void.

 

[Ohio Bob]

The disagree? Major vendors (e.g., Chateau Petrus) believe that adding 3% of a varietal to a batch makes it better. I do not claim my palate is good enough to distinguish the difference, but accept that some folks have such a palate. As such, I cannot argue against their POV, even if I cannot taste the difference.

What was unsaid was that I assumed he would be topping off with a similar wine. And also a calculated risk that he would not be able to taste any difference. I believe we are in agreement.

 

[winemaker81]

What was unsaid was that I assumed he would be topping off with a similar wine. And also a calculated risk that he would not be able to taste any difference. I believe we are in agreement.

Probably so!

 

[WVRoger]

I like the idea of topping off vs. adding objects to take up the space primarily because it results in more wine at bottling. But, the plastic rod idea seems simple enough and I'll keep that in mind. As far as head space in the beer bottle, I think I can get to virtually none with the crown cap.

Ohio Bob, A six pack of beer will last me four days. A bottle of wine - four hours. So, I don't buy a lot of it. This is all new to me and with this batch I will have five one gallon carboys bulk aging. If I keep drinking my topping off wine, the cost goes up exponentially.

Winemaker81, my goal is certainly to make a wine I like. But, since I won't know how these experiments turn out for several more months, I'm counting on the experience of the members here to help me get there.

Thanks!

 

[winemaker81]

Winemaker81, my goal is certainly to make a wine I like. But, since I won't know how these experiments turn out for several more months, I'm counting on the experience of the members here to help me get there.

You will make wines you like. Maybe love. But if you make wine long enough you'll make wines you don't. I'm not being negative; that's simply reality.

For winemakers, it's the journey, not the destination.

Not that I don't love it when a wine turns out well!

 

[BarrelMonkey]

One of the harder aspects of home wine making (as compared to commercial) is keeping small amounts of leftover/topping wine in good condition. We all have our collections of small vessels (from maybe 1 gal down to 1 pint? 1 cup?), but keeping them in good condition is IMO more challenging than at a winery, where the smallest increment might be, say 2.5 or 5 gal (with access to inert gases for sparging the headspace).

I purposely 'over-sulfur' my topping wines; I would recommend adding SO2 up to 100ppm in those small leftover vessels. Of course the wine won't taste great by itself but it will help preserve it and will be diluted away when you use it for topping...

 

[mainshipfred]

One of the harder aspects of home wine making (as compared to commercial) is keeping small amounts of leftover/topping wine in good condition. We all have our collections of small vessels (from maybe 1 gal down to 1 pint? 1 cup?), but keeping them in good condition is IMO more challenging than at a winery, where the smallest increment might be, say 2.5 or 5 gal (with access to inert gases for sparging the headspace).

I purposely 'over-sulfur' my topping wines; I would recommend adding SO2 up to 100ppm in those small leftover vessels. Of course the wine won't taste great by itself but it will help preserve it and will be diluted away when you use it for topping...

Here, here, I have had more wine go bad in smaller containers than in full carboys or barrels. Lately I have been over sulfiting my topping off wines. Maybe not to 100 ppm but substantially higher levels.

 

[Brant]

When i started using a 15 gal barrel, I purchased a series of glass swing top bottles in various sizes. I also use 1 gal jugs with airlocks, 750ml bottles with corks. These all seem to work well for keeping topup wine. On the swing tops, I add a very small pinch of kmeta when I use them and keep them stored in a dark place since they are clear glass. Prior to having various container sizes, I would just open new bottles at topup. Having a wide range of container sizes has served me well.

 

[QuiQuog]

Rather than opening a full bottle and trying to preserve it after opening, you could get a 4 pack of 187 ml bottles and use those.