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So in just a few months I will celebrate 2 years in this Hobby/Obsession......

Being a Chemist by trade I am always thinking about things. Why is it done this way and is there a better way to do it than this. So with that said here is todays little experimental results that may just have you thinking about your own winemaking practices.

The main thing I noticed immediately with my wines when I started opening them was the bouquet I smelled upon opening was not fruit, but SULFUR.....

In the beginning, I followed the standard rule of adding 1/8 tsp every 90 days while bulk aging. As I opened those wines after first 12 then 18 months I continued to notice the smell of sulfur and knew that something must be not quite right with this procedure.

I started testing for sulfites about 8 months ago using Accuvin test kits. When these seemed to be less than reliable I looked for something better and purchased an inexpensive A/O Rig. This unit has provided much more accurate results. It does have a little bit of a learning curve to get the endpoint down but once you do that it is quite accurate.

I stopped adding additional amounts of Sulfite past the supplied packet with my wines once I got the A/O Rig. I have been slowly bottling things over the last 6 months. Some had 2-3 additions of sulfite then finally only 1 extra addition of sulfite past the supplied packet. All had plenty of sulfite without adding any thing more than what I had already added.

This week I tested my first batch that has bulk aged for 8 months. I added only the supplied packet and then its been sitting in a carboy with an airlock or a stopper in it once the temps cooled down in the winery.

The results were very interesting. The pH of the wine was 3.3 which by the charts meant I needed only 26ppm of free sulfite.

My analysis after 8 months was 18ppm! Only 8 ppm down from the charts!

Using the Sulfite Calculator I only needed to add 0.36GM of K-Meta powder. Thats not a lot!

Since I was going to filter this batch with my new whole house filtering apparatus and I was going to be running sulfite sanitizing solution through the system I was wondering how this might affect the sulfite value in the end.

Would the sulfite solution in the filter, housing, tubing etc affect the sulfite value? What about the oxidation by running it all through the filter?

What would the bottom line be?

Today I got my answer.

I reanalyzed the wine after running it through the whole house filter which had been sanitized by running 10% sulfite solution through it.

The final value for free sulfite after running it through the filtration system had gone from 18 to 30 ppm without adding any extra sulfite! The wine was now perfectly in range for bottling without adding any extra sulfite.

So what do you take away from this? First, test your sulfite levels! Don't add sulfites blindly every 90 days. Its too much. Secondly test only after you have done all your wine manipulations like filtering. They can ADD sulfite as in this instance.

Sulfite is a very important additive but should be monitored closely! Do not add it unless you are sure you really need it!
 
Maybe in a year or so of wine production I will catch up with you. For now thanks for the thoughts. I have not moved to filtering as of yet but planning to do so soon.
 
Yeah, its getting time to switch to something a little more accurate for S02 testing for me.
 
Fascinating. In keeping with my laissez faire approach to winemaking, I tend to ignore the sulfite strictures anyway. I add the supplied packet to the carboy at racking, and usually figure the sulfite remaining from cleaning the bottles and equipment will suffice.

Having never had any problems with tainted or oxidized wine, I see no reason to make the winemaking more difficult. So, in complete contrast to your conclusion, it seems to me that there is little need to test sulfite levels, even over longer-term bulk aging periods. Just add the supplied sulfite packet and fuhgedaboudit!
 
BartReeder said:
Fascinating. In keeping with my laissez faire approach to winemaking, I tend to ignore the sulfite strictures anyway. I add the supplied packet to the carboy at racking, and usually figure the sulfite remaining from cleaning the bottles and equipment will suffice.

Having never had any problems with tainted or oxidized wine, I see no reason to make the winemaking more difficult. So, in complete contrast to your conclusion, it seems to me that there is little need to test sulfite levels, even over longer-term bulk aging periods. Just add the supplied sulfite packet and fuhgedaboudit!



Well since I DID start testing this year, I realize more then ever the need for testing. I have too much time and money invested in crafting my wines any more then to just make it a crap shoot. Could you imaginea Dr or attorney with that line of thinking.



Mike that was a lot of work, thanks for sharing as it is quiet an eye opener.
 
This also reminds me of what Father Al keeps saying. Keep your sulfite levels up and you can worry a little less about topping up for short term. I hope nobody takes that wrong now and leaves carboys half full for long term aging. It doesn't mean that.
 
Adding sulfites has been my #1 concern lately.I've added the 1/4tsp addition(plus the original 4.8 grams at stabilizing) on 4CC/RJS kitsforfirst 3 months of bulk aging,half way testing, I can smell the sulfur and plan not to addanother roundat next racking for 3 more monthsof aging, then at bottling add either 1/8 to 1/4 tsp. Without testing and just using my senses, it's a crap shoot, but 4.8 grams and 1/4 tsp (another 1.25 grams) is a lot. Anybody know how much FCO2 that is?
 
Great write up, Mike. I think the kit makers have us add so much Kmeta to be on the safe side... they do a lot of things just to be on the safe side, but you can't blame them, they have to warranty the kits.

As I stated before, I am getting where I can really taste the sulfites in commercial wines. (I thought one's taste gets less sensitive with age
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I am afraid that when I open some of my own wines, which I haven't done for awhile now, I might be blown away with the smell of sulfites, not the aroma of my wine.

At least I can decant my wines so some of the smell can blow off.

Again, thanks.
 
BartReeder said:
Fascinating.  In keeping with my laissez faire approach to winemaking, I tend to ignore the sulfite strictures anyway.  I add the supplied packet to the carboy at racking, and usually figure the sulfite remaining from cleaning the bottles and equipment will suffice.Having never had any problems with tainted or oxidized wine, I see no reason to make the winemaking more difficult. So, in complete contrast to your conclusion, it seems to me that there is little need to test sulfite levels, even over longer-term bulk aging periods.  Just add the supplied sulfite packet and fuhgedaboudit!

This is the correct attitude for most home wine makers!
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Most home makers, wont age wines past 3 years, and I've found that what comes in the kits, usually suffices, as well as the residual in the equipment after cleaning, etc.

Now, if you are going to get a little more obsessed and start using barrels, fresh crushed grapes, etc, then you need to start testing a little more.
 
ibglowin said:
I kinda think knowledge is a GOOD thing!

I do too, but with kits, the manufacturers have done their studies very well, and since they all offer money back guarantees, they really do ensure that the product will be kept good within a reasonable time period. I think you are ready to use kits as second wines, and start on fresh.
 
Good information Mike, I measure SO2 quite a bit and have not seen the predicted drop at every racking either. It makes me wonder if the predicted loss in the bottle of 5 ppm per year is not true also.
 
I made 12 gallons last Fall from fresh. Now in bulk aging process. This Fall I am planning on bumping it up to either 24 or possibly 36 gallons.

The thing thats fun about kits is trying new varietals plus the ability to ferment year round for those obsessed (like me!)

Dean said:
I think you are ready to use kits as second wines, and start on fresh.
 
Great points Mike...and if i missed it, i apologize...but your information should extend, if my intuition is on target, that sterilized bottling equipment could also add some sulfite levels to your wine...although i would suspect less than a filter system, especially if a paper element is used

what do you think?
 
I think you could easily get 1-2 ppm from sulfiting your bottles.

That filter cartridge held 3-5 oz probably thus the kick from 18 to 30 ppm.

Rinse a carboy before filtering into it an you probably add 1-3 ppm more.

Only with testing will you know where your at.
 
May be getting a little off topic but:
I've alwaysthought 10 - 15 ppm for the increase at bottling. Do you think that is too high??


I sulfide bottles just ahead of filling them,so the bottles are still wet when I fill, I sulfide rinse one or two bottles ahead of filling.
 
Yea, I think that is way too high.

If your using a Vinator and then putting them back on your bottle tree upside down you have very little sulfite solution left in the bottle. A few drops at best.

My whole house filter had an estimated 3oz or so of liquid in it that then got pushed into the receiving carboy when I filtered. My SO2 went from 18 to 30ppm or an increase of only 12ppm.
 
I've always relied on guess work and my guardian angel to help with sulfites. I recall sulpher is effervescent from my days as a water softener salesman but I have also seen that 1 campden tab to clear a bucket of wild yeasts be more effective than I hoped.When racking bulk aged vino I have just added 1 campden tap and so far it has served the purpose without ill effects.
 
Mike, what do you mean by an A/O rig? I would love to add less sulfites if possible but sulfite test kits seem expensive to me. thanks, Ron
 

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