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Drove north of St. Louis area to a little town called Elsberry and picked about 160 lbs of Norton grapes. Really nice looking, a few raisins. The grapes are a little dry, but I think they will be usable. The brix are about 23.5, ph 3.7 and tables, as the crowd reported of about 0.7. This aren't bad numbers for Norton at all. A little Mlf, cold chilling and this should be quite tasty.