Willsboro NY Cold Hardy Grape Variety Trial

[grapeman]

I don't have pictures since I didn't bring the camera today, but the Marquette and Mn1200 have hit veraison, 17 days ahead of last year. The grapes are beautiful and large with more clusters than I want to keep. I got rid of the grass and weeds under the rest of the vines today and sprayed Roundup on the ones I did it to the other day. I like to let the grass and weeds grow a couple days to begin regrowth before spraying- it is more effective. The few I had sprayed last week are looking great-nice and clean under them now.


Next up, I need to cluster thin to around 3.5-4 tons per acre on half and about 5 tons per acre on the other half. That is to demonstrate to visiting growers the effectiveness of thinning on the crop quality.

 

[AlFulchino]

i look forward to teh cluster thinning results~shoudl be an interesting yr vis-a-vis sugar and acid numbers if the weather holds out~!

 

[Wade E]

Keep up the good records on this my friend as like Al Im very interested on how this works just to know!

 

[AlFulchino]

what is the current berry diameter on the varieties you said was in verasion

 

[grapeman]

Just a few pictures of the grapes at Willsboro showing they are in veraison.

Here are a couple pictures of Marquette.

Some Sabrevois

And a white- Prairie Star

 

[Runningwolf]

Nice pictures. I think you are a few weeks ahead of us here.

 

[ibglowin]

Beautiful!

Are the grapes ripening ahead of normal schedule?

 

[grapeman]

The grapes are 3 to 4 weeks ahead of last year and about two weeks ahead of normal for here. Hopefully they will have lots of time to fully ripen this year and reduce the acids. Last year was a bear to work with the grapes, but that is part of the fun!



We have gotten over 30 percent more growing degree days this year than last. The date last year that we hit our current GDD coincided with the beginning of veraison- over three weeks later. This can be a useful tool for predicting various stages of the grapes cycle. Yet another reason for good record keeping, including weather data. Some day we should set up software for predicting certain stages such as bloom, veraison and harvest by the number of growing degree days. I could do it, but I just don't have the time. It could also be a useful tool for when spraying would be needed taking into account the gdds for insects to reach a spray threshold such as with the grape berry moth. NY IPM has such a system for insects and diseases, but it is in danger of cancellation because of budgets.

 

[ibglowin]

Yep, It wouldn't be half as fun if it was easy. Totally understand that one!

 

[AlFulchino]

so rich...with being so far along...have the people up there stopped spraying until after harvest?

 

[grapeman]

Al the grapes are ahead, but not to the point of imminent harvest. Actually I sprayed today since we had almost 3 inches of rain in the last two days. I included sprays for PM,DM and botrytis. Netting will go on in about 2 weeks and we may need another spray then. At this time of year I switch over to as many almost organic sprays as possible. This one included ProPhyt, which is phosphoric acid.


What does you spray program look like at this point?

 

[AlFulchino]

well, its been pretty much stretched out this year because we have had maybe two inches of rain in the last four months....so everything has been at the maximum intervals....i have not sprayed any insecticides on my vines this year ( true of each year thus far)...only fungicides....so manzate, captan...pristine and elite....the vines have had a very good history..but this year is pretty spectacular and i hesitate to say that because i am not bragging, i have no control over this..i am VERY thankful because the two previosu yrs it was 17 inches in 30 days...its just been a california type year down here...incredible heat all year from the get go in april...my vineyard floor today was 118 degrees....and the first (lower) fruiting zone in the 100 and the upper 95

since my last spray was last week..i am thinking of maybe one more next week and thats it until after harvest...depending on what brix numbers i read next week

 

[grapeman]

It was like a sauna when I got home today from Willsboro. We got 1.78 inches of rain at my place overnight and it was around 92 this afternoon with about that in relative humidity. I didn't measure the vineyard, but when I walked out in the vineyard it just about took your breath away. Since Monday we have got as much rain as all of last month- and that was only two days!

 

[grapeman]

Things have moved along well this year at the vineyard and we are approaching harvest. I picked the ES 6-16-30 yesterday which is an unnamed Elmer Swenson variety. I also got samples from all 25 varieties and ran the samples today with the meters. Here are the results. A lot of them are close to harvest and will be picked this weekend.



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<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.08</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>10.9</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>1.42</TD></TR>
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<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>Frontenac Gris</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>23.0</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.18</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>15.4</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>1.27</TD></TR>
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<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl76 height=17>Mn 1200</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl77 xum>21.8</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl78 xum>3.08</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl77 xum>7.9</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : yellow; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl69 xum="1.14">1.14</TD></TR>
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<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>LaCrescent</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>23.6</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.30</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>12.5</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>1.43</TD></TR>
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<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl76 height=17>Leon Millot</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl77 xum>22.0</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl78 xum>3.47</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl77 xum="8.7">8.7</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : yellow; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl69 xum>1.30</TD></TR>
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<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>Foch</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>20.6</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.32</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>10.4</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>1.50</TD></TR>
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<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>Frontenac</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>21.6</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.31</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>16.0</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>1.33</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>St. Pepin</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>20.2</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.30</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>8.6</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>2.19</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl76 height=17>ES 6-16-30</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl77 xum="19.4">19.4</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl78 xum>3.40</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl77 xum>8.1</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : #ff8080; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl71 xum>2.27</TD></TR>
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<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>Sabrevois</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum="18.6">18.6</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.51</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>9.9</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>2.21</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>Prairie Star</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum="18.6">18.6</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.55</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>9.6</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum="2.51">2.51</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>Louise Swenson</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>17.2</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.27</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>5.2</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>2.68</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>Baco</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>19.8</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.36</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>15.1</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>1.38</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl76 height=17>Petite Amie</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl77 xum>19.0</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl78 xum>3.26</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl77 xum>6.4</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : yellow; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl69 xum>2.19</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl79 height=17>Edelweiss</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl80 xum>16.0</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl81 xum>3.41</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl80 xum="4.9">4.9</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : #ff8080; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl70 xum>3.17</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>Vignoles</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum="18.4">18.4</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.03</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum="19.6">19.6</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>1.48</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl76 height=17>St. Croix</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl77 xum>19.2</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl78 xum>3.27</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl77 xum>7.1</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : yellow; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl69 xum>1.79</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>Lacrosse</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>18.0</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.05</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum="10.2">10.2</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>1.82</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>Landot</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>17.0</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.18</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>13.1</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>1.71</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>GR7</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>19.0</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.18</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>12.5</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>1.76</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>Cayuga White</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>16.5</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.17</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>9.6</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>3.31</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>NY 76.844.24</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>18.0</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.07</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>11.8</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>1.78</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl73 height=17>Noiret</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>15.4</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl75 xum>3.15</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : white; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl74 xum>13.8</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>1.93</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl66 height=17>Niagara</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl68 xum>13.0</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>3.16</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl68 xum="9.3">9.3</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>3.09</TD></TR>
<TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl66 height=17 xtr="Not Ravat ">Not Ravat</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl68 xum>13.0</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum>3.10</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl68 xum>12.5</TD>
<TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; : transparent; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" =xl67 xum="2.43">2.43</TD></TR></T></TABLE>

 

[ibglowin]

Looks like the "planets" are alining! Can't wait to see the final numbers.

 

[AlFulchino]

interesting stuff Rich....

 

[grapeman]

The ES 6-16-30 (some call it Adalmiina) needed picking because it gets to a point and just turns to mush and it was almost there. In the tank after pressing it tested a hair under 20 brix, pH 3.33 and TA was 6.1 so it goes to show that even though you try to get accurate samples, you seldom hit it right on the nose.

 

[ibglowin]

So tell me more about this grape "Not Ravat"!

Looks like Ravat but its Not ????????

 

[grapeman]

Mike it was supposed to be Ravat 34 - a white grape, but it is the biggest, blackest inkiest grape you have ever seen. So it is "Not Ravat". We still have no clue as to what it is, but it is a late grape, yields well, is pretty cold tolerant and has more tannins than any other hybrid we have seen to date. I have found you treat it like a rose or even a white to get acceptable color extraction. It makes elderberries look like they forgot to color the wine.

 

[R Ziegler]

Your "Not Ravat" sounds interesting. Even though you haven't any idea as to what it actually is - do you have any info on how much cold it actually will take?
Rich, if you have time can you post a picture of it?


Do you have flavor / aroma info you can post?


Obscure grape varietals peak my interest - I'd like to plant some Castel 19637, but my yard is nowhere near the place it could survive in MN. Maybe some day......