Fulchino Vineyard

[AlFulchino]

i knew you would chime in Waldo, but remember this...if you and your sleigh make a mistake and land in some water instead of a roof top, then whatever this physics principle is, it will move you over to land assuming of course you outfitted the sleigh w some form of pontoon

 

[AlFulchino]

well here is the physicist answer.....not quite what i had hoped

<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><t><tr><th>Expert: </th><td>Expert</td></tr>
<tr><th>Subject: </th><td>What is the underlying 'force'</td></tr>
<tr><th>Question: </th><td>Hello,
I am greatly please to see a website such as this. I am a wine maker
and today noted that my hydrometer when placed into my fermenting must
would "travel" from the center area of the 150 liter open top tub and
move towards the fermenting tub walls. I am using larger diameter tubs
than i used to and i am leaving the hydrometer in longer to get true
must temperatures and this explains why I had not seen this phenomenon
before. Is this a molecule compression difference between the center
and of the wine molecules at the walls? Why wouldnt the hydrometer stay
in the 'perfect' center if placed there?

Thank you - AL</td></tr>
<tr ="answer"><th>Answer: </th><td>Please
forgive my delay in responding -- it's the only way I can think of, to
ensure I am not assisting with academic work, of which homework is just
a small part. Also, as I can not determine the veracity of what people
post, I can not know whether or not a question involves academic work.

Anyway, despite checking out

www.grapestompers.com/articles/hydrometer_use.htm</span>

http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/hydrom.asp

I
am unable to determine why your hydrometer would drift to the side,
particularly since you are using a larger tub. PERHAPS there is a
density or temperature difference between the center and sides, one
that did not appear before in your smaller vats -- but a difference so
large as to move a hydrometer would not last long in a liquid. The
surface tension "bubble" at the top of a fluid that MIGHT cause
something to drift to the side

http://tinyurl.com/WarpedFluidPic

would not be a significant factor in this large a container.

When
I first glanced at this question, I thought it would be easy to
explain. I was wrong -- I just don't know enough about the situation to
make an intelligent guess on what's happening. Sorry.</td></tr></t></table>

 

[admiral]

OK! We are left with "wine is magical in more ways than one." That was a good execise, Al. Merry Christmas!

 

[AlFulchino]

Thanks Admiral.

And this is my Merry Christmas to everyone here....it has been enjoyable. I hope blessings find you all in one way or another during the upcoming year.

 

[xanxer82]

Merry Christmas Al. Always glad to see additions to this thread and your website. The winery is amazing! Can't wait to see more pics.

 

[AlFulchino]

I wish i had been forced to not edit so many of the posts..i removed a lot of info because of a few locals here.....maybe as soon as i am more than just a few yrs ahead of them i can share more

*****

anyway i am here to report that the Vinturi Essential Wine Aerator http://vinturi.com/</span>

is the REAL DEAL

i was given a white wine and also a red wine Vinturi this evening from my son...we took a 2008 Old Vine Zin of mine and it went from 0-60 inside of milliseconds

bouquet and flavor popped right out...this will be a staple IN my winery

i HIGHLY recommend it for personal or professional use....it IS something that works...it is not a gimmick

 

[admiral]

Merry Christmas, Al. Do you see any difference between the white and the red Vinturi? I have a rose' and I agree, it works great.

OK, this may well get off into another discussion but... How will you ever be more than "just a few years ahead" of the locals? Isn't their time increasing at the same rate as yours? I am sure the answer has to do with the space time continuum but, this inquiring mind wants to know.

 

[grapeman]

The way I and others in my location look at it is that we are all in this boat together. Larger boats are safer than smaller boats, but there can be rough seas for both. You will always get others that want to glean information to help their cause. Locally, the more growers we get that learn to do a proper job, the better off I feel we will all be. I am always afraid that if there are too many inexperienced growers that they will produce inferior grapes and thus more apt to make BAD wine. I don't want the region to be known for it's BAD wine- rather great wine. I share information, just keep some things to myself as I am sure Al does.

 

[Brewgrrrl]

Sorry this is a delayed response (I was swept away in the holiday hustle around here). Yes, the lowest point of the liquid is the center - you can actually see how the surface of a liquid is concave if you put some water in a clear glass measuring cup and then look at the surface sideways (with your eyes level with the top of the liquid). In the case of the hydrometer, maybe whatever forces that cause the liquid closer to the sides to rise higher are the same ones that are pushing the hydrometer out from the center. I don't think it's about surface tension so much as gravity's affect on liquid and the distribution of pressure within the wine.

 

[AlFulchino]

ok...i was going to answer admiral and appleman first...but now just read brewgrrrl's reply

i gotta think about that....the hydrometer would be going up hill based on what you said...however if their is a downward force pushing the center out and up then that same force would apply to pushing the hydrometer....gotta think more on that one...thanks for your thoughts on it

*****

Rich and Admiral....first to the issue of sharing* and then to the Vinturi

Admiral says: "OK, this may well get off into another discussion but... How will you
ever be more than "just a few years ahead" of the locals? Isn't their
time increasing at the same rate as yours? I am sure the answer has to
do with the space time continuum but, this inquiring mind wants to know"

*al - great point and Rich says: "The way I and others in my location look at it is that we are all in
this boat together. Larger boats are safer than smaller boats, but
there can be rough seas for both. You will always get others that want
to glean information to help their cause. Locally, the more growers we
get that learn to do a proper job, the better off I feel we will all
be. I am always afraid that if there are too many inexperienced growers
that they will produce inferior grapes and thus more apt to make BAD
wine. I don't want the region to be known for it's BAD wine- rather
great wine. I share information, just keep some things to myself as I
am sure Al does."

*al - I agree Rich that it is good to help each other....but you have to assume for that to be true that the other guy has the same heart as you do...in my PARTICULAR case, something happenned about ten yrs ago...and i never would have known it was THAT important until this past yr....my wife used to have a gift store in a nearby city mall location in which she sold various items...one of which was a line of well known hand creams....she had to licensed to sell this product...well about seven miles away, here in our home town...a certain farming entity went to the licensor and tried to have her license pulled....on what grounds you might ask? the argument was a simple one.....a tight business relationship w the licensor....needless to say, we had no problem selling the line and forgot all about it....until 2 last year.....this same farming group started popping in to my location....talking to me, trying to find things out...scanning the property but never looking me in the eye....and also when a local town onw land was offered to me to place a vineyard on after ALL the traditional farmers for TWO YEARS had been offered the same land...all refused....so the town came to me...we were ready to sign a lease...then guess who stepped in....thsi very same farming family....guess what...out of a 200 acre parcel they want the same 10 percent i had chosen.....suprised? not anymore

You see Rich...a rising tide lifts all ships as Reagan said....but Rich we are not all in the same boat together...we are in the same OCEAN together...and some would rather sink you than lend a hand

So as a small time farmer and producer...i must recognize that a few years of being the ONLY vineyard here....and the ONLY wine producer...has its advantages against certain forces....it gives me a chance to establish what in the end counts most...the ability to successfuly sell and establish a customer base...to paythe bills

if Johnny homeowner comes in and wants to grow grapes...i assist...if they want to talk wine..i talk.....but i must be mindful that some people around us are not interested in anything but their place in the world and i am reminded of an italian proverb

'bevande a vino'...</font>.</font></font>and
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'fidarsi e bene, non fidarsi è meglio'</font></font>


together this means

'drink some wine' </font>and 'above all, trust only yourself,
no one else!'</font></font>

</font>trust yourself in your ability to decipher who is a friend and who is not and hold back what you need

Admiral, i have not yet used the Vinturi on a white...but we did a family taste test on my harvest, last evening....and i think we will now revisist the whites and see what it does...i will say this...we have a red that was sellable right now after only aging for 3 mos....i am not sure how that happenned..i have to review the notes and see whats going on there or what factors i may have missed....but IF this wine stays this way, then its a true winner.

 

[admiral]

Al, thanks for the update. It is a shame to not only struggle against the forces of nature, and insects, and deer, and assorted fungi that you must also struggle with your fellow man.

Do the white and red venturis look any different, or could they be used interchangeably?

 

[AlFulchino]

on the insigificant side one for the red has black trim and the white wine one has white trim....but what is more significant is what i suspected beforehand....a different amount of airflow is invloved....to the naked eye it is easy to see that the air flow openings in the glass are bigger on the white version versus the red version.....so apparently the science says that air needs to get the white wine into the wine in more abundance early on

this is not to say that using a white wine or a red wine could not be used interchangeably to try to achieve some success in both cases

ps..history is filled with copious amounts of stories of one mans struggle against another....

 

[AlFulchino]

website worth checking out if your planning a vineyard..or if you already have one

http://arcserver2.iagt.org/vll/learnmore.aspx#tempeffects

 

[AlFulchino]

thought some here might like to see these...we submitted yesterday to
the TTB for approval, based on our best grasp of the wording of the
many laws in terms of label approval....i figure whatever we may be
wrong on will be told to us and we will make adjustments



you have to submit a label for each part of the bottle for separate
approval..ie front label, back label, cork writing, collar writing etc

 

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[Runningwolf]

Very nice labels Al, Best of luck to you in the New Year!