rooting Norton cuttings??

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I just wanted to put this out here so if someone else would like to try it. Hopefully your results will be similar to mine. It was simply an accident and honestly everything was mostly reconstructed from memory. I know that the cuttings were taken mid-August and rooted cuttings were repotted mid-October, the rest is best guess.

Last spring I purchased 6 Norton/Cynthiana vines, one died and I decided I wanted at least 2 more. I had read that they were difficult to start from cuttings but layered easily so I made two ground layers. The layers rooted and by the middle of August I decided I would transplant. Since the layered vines' top growth were larger than I thought the roots could easily support, the tops were pruned back to a foot or so.

I suspect that I am not alone but I find it difficult to simply discard pruning’s so I made 10 cuttings, each having 2-3 nodes. At the time I was busy and put the cuttings into a 16 oz solo cup of water and placed that in the refrigerator in my shop……. and promptly forgot about them. Two weeks later I opened the refrigerator and realized I needed to do something with those. There was only ½ cc of Dip in Grow left in the bottle so I added that to the 16 oz of water and left overnight. The next day I put three in sphagnum moss, two in 50/50 vermiculite/pearlite and one in Scott’s moisture control potting mix. By the middle of October 5 of six had rooted and are still alive, one of the ones in sphagnum moss did not root, it was also the smallest in diameter. None were as large as a pencil but were close.

The last four are in the refrigerator stored in damp sphagnum moss for trial in spring.

Take cuttings in mid August (semi-hardwood?)
Place in refrigerator for two weeks
Add ½ cc Dip & Grow rooting hormone in 14-16 oz water and soak for 24 hours
Plant in your favorite rooting medium.

This was purely accidental and I have no idea if the results will repeat, but I will repeat the trial again next year even though I currently have 5 more vines to find a place for.
 
The potted cuttings were kept in a clear plastic tote with drainage holes drilled in the bottom and a few ventilation holes around the top sides and placed in the shade until rooted.
 
I can’t say I am surprised. I have “donated” clippings to a neighbor who stuck them in a bucket of water. They rooted in water. From working at a greenhouse dehydration is a major risk, my answer when humidity is low is tent the cuttings with a poly bag.
 
When I prune my Concord and Somerset grape vines in spring (Feb or Mar), I will stick 10 or so cuttings into a potting mix and set in the shade of my garden house. The potting mix is usually re-used from dumping out old hanging baskets. Since I don't need any more grapes, I give them to friends after the vines have grown a foot or more.Hardwood Cuttings 2024.jpg
 
I just wanted to put this out here so if someone else would like to try it. Hopefully your results will be similar to mine. It was simply an accident and honestly everything was mostly reconstructed from memory. I know that the cuttings were taken mid-August and rooted cuttings were repotted mid-October, the rest is best guess.

Last spring I purchased 6 Norton/Cynthiana vines, one died and I decided I wanted at least 2 more. I had read that they were difficult to start from cuttings but layered easily so I made two ground layers. The layers rooted and by the middle of August I decided I would transplant. Since the layered vines' top growth were larger than I thought the roots could easily support, the tops were pruned back to a foot or so.

I suspect that I am not alone but I find it difficult to simply discard pruning’s so I made 10 cuttings, each having 2-3 nodes. At the time I was busy and put the cuttings into a 16 oz solo cup of water and placed that in the refrigerator in my shop……. and promptly forgot about them. Two weeks later I opened the refrigerator and realized I needed to do something with those. There was only ½ cc of Dip in Grow left in the bottle so I added that to the 16 oz of water and left overnight. The next day I put three in sphagnum moss, two in 50/50 vermiculite/pearlite and one in Scott’s moisture control potting mix. By the middle of October 5 of six had rooted and are still alive, one of the ones in sphagnum moss did not root, it was also the smallest in diameter. None were as large as a pencil but were close.

The last four are in the refrigerator stored in damp sphagnum moss for trial in spring.

Take cuttings in mid August (semi-hardwood?)
Place in refrigerator for two weeks
Add ½ cc Dip & Grow rooting hormone in 14-16 oz water and soak for 24 hours
Plant in your favorite rooting medium.

This was purely accidental and I have no idea if the results will repeat, but I will repeat the trial again next year even though I currently have 5 more vines to find a place for.
Thank you for recording the results of your experiment! I might try this, as I couldn't afford as many vines as I had wants.
 
Hello. I just got 10 cuttings from grapesforwine. They look rather dry. Should I soak them completly under water for 24 hrs? Or stick them into the few inches of water vertically? I got Dip'n Grow liquid hormone.
Thank you in advance. Alex
 
What cultivar of grapes did you purchase? From what I have read Norton is very difficult to propagate from hardwood cuttings, The ones I rooted were semi-hardwood and those are much easier.
I am not the best person to answer this, but my guess would be to soak in a few inches of water for 12-24 hours then proceed as normal.
 
Cab Sav. The sticks are annoyingly short, only 2 buds per stick. Trimmed unprofessionally, both ends very far away from the last bud. Four thicker ones had a tapered cut on one end, the rest were square. I am rather unhappy about the whole thing, but the lesson costed me $15. Worth experimenting.
 
* a dry stick will be hard to root. You could do something like put the cut end from the mother in water. I keep the new growth end in air. Can you identify which end buds point?
* have the buds started to swell? I find rooting is easier in late March for northern hybrids. ,, basically when new growth is ready for your zone it works. If I have apple scions collected I will have the mother end in a bag of wet shredded paper now and pull out for grafting when trees outside are swelling their buds. (You are a warmer zone)
* in the greenhouse a table exists with potting mix. Misters are run over the table to keep the humidity high and prevent drying. Sticks are inserted in the mix with circulation fans to prevent mold.
* early rooting inside / heat is on so air is dry, I will have the mother end in potting mix and tent a plastic bag over them. This can have extremely high humidity and encourage mold growth when tender new growth starts. When growth starts I open the plastic bag to reduce humidity / lessen the mold risk.
* the bottom bud on a stick will develop roots in potting mix. The top bud will develop leaves. Cut ends don’t do anything.
 
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